People who cannot peacefully demonstrate deserve to be jailed PERIOD

"Dissent protects Democracy"…The nightly news reported on the demonstrations and hopefully let a few uninformed realize that there is something inherent in Capitalism that exploits workers and the middle class. I would not spend my time doing this, had I been in London but for those that are there, I believe there is something selfless about speaking up for the masses who have no voice in the G20.

/end rant

@maria: Good points. I thoroughly love capitalism, but I firmly believe workers need protection from the unmitigated greed that accompanies it. Hell, I KNOW they do. Unions would never have been necessary had the corporations not treated workers like disposable towel wipes. Corporations would be okay with working children to the bone if they could get away with it.

One person died!!!

@maria: And yes, dissent does protect democracy. Where would we be, even here on Jossip, without dissent?

@I don't think Bert and Ernie are gay… just looking for the right women.: Yeah,that's bad. Those guys aren't fooling around with their protesting. They really get into it.

I'm self-employed and I'm happy that way. Seems to me people need those evil corporations otherwise they don't have a job!

My Dad was a teamster, the corporation went out of business with men 8 days to 6 months to retirement, what did the union do—nothing.

@Rhonda: Unions seem to have fallen victim to the same greed and lack of concern for workers that they claim to protect employees from. That was a shitty way to treat their own members. Your poor dad must have been furious and really let down.

32 years he worked for the company. Proud Teamster Union Steward, he was devastated. As far as I'm concerned, unions are just the other side of the coin.

@Rhonda: Bingo. You nailed it. They weren't always that way, not in the beginning. But, power does corrupt, right?

I'm off to bed. Tired. May the vicodin treat you well, friend.

Thanks, sleep well

maybe they want to give something else a try again?

no, that kind of sucked.

there you are!

@fanofgrendel: Yeah when Dick Cheney to take away civil liberties and democracy that was terrible. Hey we agree!

@fanofgrendel: Oops I agree when Dick Cheney tired to take away civil liberties and democracy that was terrible. The patriot act was like a communist tract. It is astute of you to see that. Luckily "they" are no longer in power.

@getreal: I say "Edwards" so you have to say "Cheney"? Maybe you just think you have to defend every Democrat, even a guy who cheats on his cancer stricken wife?

Also I'm beginning to think you are just plain ignorant on most things. Dick Cheney didn't put the Patriot Act into force by executive order. It was a law passed by Congress.
69% of the House Democrats and 96% of Democratic Senators voted FOR the first PATRIOT Act. 77% of Democratic Senators voted for the Re-Authorization.

What a weirdo the only talking about Edwards is you. If all you want to do is insult people and post childish pictures I'll go back to ignoring your dumb posts.

@getreal: I hope that's a promise and not a threat.

Fake protest with

Now all we need to do is work on the pained expression on your face.

If these people/punks ran the world would 'we', conservative-types, be allowed to protest & express our opinions? or would 'we' be hung from the lamp-posts like these punks dream about?

@Kinky-Neo-Con: Don't worry. They can't "run" anything much but their mouths.

@bam-a-lam: They would self destruct like Lord of the Flies if they lost internet service.

@bam-a-lam: And if we shut down their college coffe shops they would have no places to gather

@Kinky-Neo-Con: If they can't gather in hip little places then nobody would see them and then what would be the point??

@Kinky-Neo-Con: I swear to God, the rantings of GETREAL have completely unraveled my lifelong commitment to the Democratic Pary, and that is something I never dreamed would happen. It's like every cliche in the books all rolled up into one self important little package of bullshit.

@bam-a-lam: I am kind of surprised that someone would let the rantings of a commenter on a gossip website change their political POV. Not saying one way is right or wrong, but it is strange.

@Jen: Jen, Getreal, in this case, is a compilation of all that is wrong with the entire scene. The Democratic Party as represented by this particular reference is represented in a very ugly light. Ultra liberalism is no friend to anyone and gets off on its own voice more than anything else, exactly like utra conservatism. It's the same thing. I changed my voter status 3 weeks ago, and I'm more than ever glad I did.

@Jen: at one point I thought GetReal had something to offer in terms of some sensitivities, but she veered away to become a lazy, repetitive bore. And a cheap one at that, nitpicking literal references to discredit a fellow commenter at the expense of logic and fairness.

Previous "discussions" have revealed that GetReal considers any mention of the fight for civil rights and the resulting freedoms as "trite" nonsense that has been pretty much talked to death. I find that offensive on so many levels that it makes me somewhat sick. It pretty much killed any consideration on my end.

@fanofgrendel: @bam-a-lam: I understand your that the extremes to both the left and right can leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth. That's why I am an Independent as well. I just don't think anyone that visits a website should let one person completely change your opinion. Every side has a few (or a few thousand) bad eggs. But bam, it seems that you made the decision a while ago anyway.

@Jen: I made it when the excise taxes kicked in on the federal level, and when my home state's newly elected Democratic Governor signed off on even MORE taxes for us. We're already taxed more than damn near any other state and our level of poverty, as a state, is extreme. I've just had it. All the jibber jabber in the world doesn't come close to reality.

@Jen: My husband even changed his. He is the first in the entire history of his family to NOT be a registered Democrat.

My family was always a mix of both. We grew up knowing how to have intelligent conversations about the good and bad of BOTH parties, and we listened to each other because we loved each other and cared. It's hard to me to understand why more people can't do the same. ESPEICALLY liberals, who claim to give a damn about other people.

@bam-a-lam: I understand heavy taxes, I live in Taxachusetts-it's frightening here. The governer here is trying to increase our gas tax to 42.5 cents a gallon. Thank god I barely drive my car!

@Jen: Is your governor by chance a Democrat?

Of course! MA is one of the most "liberal" states in the Union. Here he is with the Prez…
http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/a......widec.jpg

I think the point that this thread, and Jossip, is missing is that a lot of these protestors weren't kids. They were people that had been out of work for such a long time that they were forced on welfare, or they were kids that were sick and tired of seeing their parents suffering with the global unemployment problem.

Quite frankly, I am getting a little sick and tired of all this bullshit talk about "It's there own fault they are out of work." Did you know that a West Virginia politician wants mandatory drug testing before someone can recieve unemployment benifits? This is not only a costly proposition, but adding insult to injury for those people that just lost their jobs. Geuss what? He is not alone. This asshole is so out of touch that he is more concerned about the drug problem than his own fellow Americans that are out of work and need the monetary resources THEY PAID INTO while employed.

Geuss what kids? If this economy gets worse and more people lose thier jobs and you have shitbags like the aforementioned with their tyrannical solutions you are going to get the mass protesting like you see in those pictures posted above. Oh, and since FANOFGRENDEL is so fucking smart have him explain to you how the Russian Revolution started, because that is close to the same goddam recipe that is cooking the same fucking stew that is brewing right here in the U.S.

Those people are pissed off about being forgotten by a government they financially support. It's real goddamm easy to armchair protest and get all PC about peace, when you arn't in the trenches yourself.

The masses are getting sick and tired of the right wing nut job bullshit and the PC bullshit and you better watch your asses, my friends, because unless things turn around, you are not going to like the result one fucking bit. Check out FANOFGRENDELS cute hammer and sickle pic as a reference to what i'm sayin'.

@Just Saying: the more important issue is how Russian Revolution ended, be careful when playing with matches.

And it might not be a bad idea to have drug testing before handing out welfare checks. That way maybe my tax money could be spent on food for the kids rather than junk to support somebody's habit.

(I'm just sayin')

Welcome to the Gulag, comrade.

@fanofgrendel:

where you at? you and me got some stuff to discuss some more you and me

Listen idiot. Learn how to read. I wrote "unemployment" not welfare. yeah, keep it up. Just listen to and cherry pick what you want. I also was not talking about the outcome, asshole, I stated THE CAUSE! Honestly, are you mentally challenged or just such an out of touch shitbag that you can't even comprehend what someone else writes anymore.

@Just Saying:

hey you! if you talking about fanofgrendel watch it he got my back and i got his back. heh.

@i love fanofgrendel: LOL!

@Just Saying: your sister "Just Thinking" understands the THE CAUSE often results in THE OUTCOME. And ask her if our tax money going to supply drugs from extended umemployement checks is a stimulus or a depressant in the job search?

(I'm just askin')

the u.k. telegraph and the bbc reported yesterday evening that the blood on that man is fake. COMPLETELY STAGED! hysterical.

@roger: see my posts No.19 and No.20

@fanofgrendel: Does your opposition to Communism abandon you when you disapprove of the personal, private habits of the communees? You realize they aren't placing any restrictions on alcoholic welfare recipients, so I take it you don't mind our precious tax dollars supporting them. For unemplyment benefits to be subjected to such an invasion of privacy is beyond the pale.

@bam-a-lam: there you go again, being logical. That ruins all my fun.

@fanofgrendel: @fanofgrendel: Aw. I don't want to ruin your fun. I'm sure you'll get your mojo back in nothing flat, like a Phoenix from the ashes. I have faith in you.

these "protesters" are just bunch of whiny hooligan losers, hell most of them don't even really have a cause they just travel around breaking shit.