I have never watched this guy's show because just flipping through the channels in the morning and seeing his face gives me the creeps. (Not to mention his freaky voice.) Where do the cable networks find these talking heads? (I'm guessing under a rock… but in Nancy Grace's case, God only knows.)

Give me a break. Al "Mr. Diversity" Sharpton is the hangman? Imus is a grumpy, tasteless old drunk and drug addict, but doing penance at the hand of a racist like Al Sharpton is not exactly a punishment that fits the crime.

Imus is a racist. That's all there is to it. I personally don't care, since whites are not my favorite either. I think he has the right to say what he wants to, but he does not have to be malicious. He's a dried up, ignorant, and stupid person. I would much rather have the Imus's of the world than the ones who grin at you and call you a racial slur when you walk away, or under their breath. Be who you are Imus, you can't help it, whites have a long line of stupidity. Al Sharpton has a right to be bitter, and I would much rather count Al Sharpton as one of my race than Dick Chaney, Scooter Libby, and the all time winner, George W. Bush.

Are you offended by people using race to crack a joke? Tough. Get over it. White people do it, black people do it. Take the thumbs out of your mouths, stop whining and grow up. Jeez…

I'll also add that as soon as I heard Don Imus was "under fire" for comments he made on his radio show, I *knew* it must have something to do with race. You people disgust me. Weak and pathetic.

* Note: When I use the term "you people", I do so in a very general way. Not in that Ross Perot way. Because, after all, that would be racist!

I believe that Don Imus should be fired! Think about this for a minute…Tim Hardaway, made comments about "gays" in the NBA and was immediately removed from his job, without a second thought even though he apologized for his insensitive remarks do it his "homophobia". Why is it that when a black person does something it is magnified, but when a white person does the same thing it is down played and they are given time to recognize their wrong.
Don "Imma-ass" Imus made racial slurs about these women and thought that he was being funny! How could ANYONE think that calling black women "nappy-headed ho's" was funny unless you are a racist pig! Come on are you kidding me!!!!!!! This is 2007, there is no way that he could have thought that we as a race would laugh with him about this, as a race we are tired of this kind of ignorance and arrogance from those who feel that we are the inferior race. Please believe that this is a new day and our voices will be heard!!! We as a race are sick and tired or being sick and tired of this kind of foolishness and it is time for everyone to speak up about the on going racism in this " so-called free" country.
Imus proved that he is a racist, why is he still being allowed to keep his job! He be fired immediately if not sooner, this type of person should not be able to speak across our airwaves and influence the minds of our young people. If he is not fired, again it will be further prove that our "great" country excuses the white man but condems the black man. Just like in Texas with the little black girl jailed a year for pushing the teach not even hurting her physically just her pride, but the little white girl burns down her parents home and gets probation…what in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIRE THE RACIST JERK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Al Sharpton - what has he EVER done in his life, except play the race card? Jesse Jackson cheats on his wife and has a baby, but that is OK? Look up nappy in the dictionary…that's right. Stevie Wonder sang "Looking back on when I was was a NAPPY headed little boy
" No Imus is NO saint, but get off of his case. He has done 50 times better good for people in need than both self serving sharpton and jackson. (names NOT in caps on purpose.

Well that is a good point, let me think about it for a while.

1) Dave Chapelle
2) Mind of Mencia
3) Don Rickles
4) Rap Music

Thanks for pointing out the double standard from the NAACP regarding hate speech. It is appalling that they would hand an IMAGE award to someone like Isaiah Washington and then expect someone else to lose their job after they apologized. I'm no Don Imus fan but the double standard from organizations like the NAACP has got to end.

#8 - comment maker…why not use your own ID instead of mine???? Just curious???

To Passerby:

Are you mad because your President can't read this? He should get Hooked on Phonics or lower the gas prices so he could ride his short handicapped bus to hunt with Chaney. And while they're at it, take Imus with them. Odds are, and with any luck none of them will come back.

T. Tucker and Rese (The fake one on comments Nos. 6 and 8).

You two have no authority to call anyone a racist. Your remarks prove that. Your kind of people add no relevance to any debate, and honestly, our society would be better without you.

Don Imus is an entertainer. That is it. He is not a political commentator, he is a shock-jock like Howard Stern or Oppie and Anthony. His comments are made to entertain. No different than Dave Chapelle or Chris Rock. So shut up and quit crying about what the white man is doing, cause trust minorites are getting every break imaginable. For example; at my state university, I got a 28 ACT score and High School GPA of 3.9, so I recieve $1500 a year for the four years I attend college (total $6000). If I were anything but a white male, I would have recieved a full ride scholarship worth $12000 a year, or $48000. But I am getting on an entirely different topic.

About Imus' comments. To call them racist is a stretch. Dumb perhaps, racist no. What Imus was doing was making a character judgement by a person's appearance. This is something we all do everyday. When you see a person dressed in a mini-skirt and with her belly exposed, you think that woman is a slut. When you see a man wearing a three-piece suit where none of the pieces match, you infer that man is homeless. When you see some kid dressed in black listening with piercings and drinking coffee, to most, that person is a goth. So when you see a bunch of rough looking, gangbanger females playing basketball, what do you see?

Imus made a conclusion on a group of people because of how those choose people appeared. Big deal. I have seen plenty of black girls and am friends with a few black girls who I would never consider "nappy-headed hoes." Not because they are my friends, but because they choose not to appear that way.

So I think that the RACIST JERKS need to shut up and not comment on things that regard race because their views are far to skewed.

(That includes Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson)

What have white people got to do now, we can`t say anything unless we run it thru a editor, we will never be able to get along with black people, they are so stupid.

Wayne

Black people are not stupid. I understand your frustraiton at the hipocrisy, but I urge you not to make generalizations. The only black people who care about this are the racist black activists like Sharpton, Jackson, T. Tucker, and the pretender Rese. It is honestly not a big deal except to the biggots and the whinners like those mentioned.

You see Wayne, we do actually get along with black people. The ones we don't get along with are the criminals in the ghetto who constantly blame it on racist policemen even when they are caught on camera doing all the things they do, and the race baiters who rush to their aid like "civil rights leaders" and the NAACP.

So please don't generalize, but be aware.

Imus showed himself to be not only racist and sexist, but a bully as well. His verbal attack targeted a group of young women whose outstanding athletic ability, teamwork and courage led them to a championship game. Apparently Imus saw a chance to insult publicly both their gender and their race. Unfortunately, the girls didn't have equal time to let him know what an idiot he is.
I have two daughters and I know how painful those remarks had to be, no matter that they were made by an ignorant oaf. I believe every mother in this country should let this man know what they think of him. It doesn't matter what our race is. No child should be subjected to that kind of verbal cruelty.

I'm a white female and in my lifetime I've been called worse than NHHO by men……..

It's the nature of the beast…..and when women learn that they just laugh and get on with their lives. We're the superior race female…white or black….so consider the source. Imus is a man and what can you expect.

WHat bothers me is that if he just called them "hos" without the racist element, it would have been forgotten. Why is it that it's acceptable to make misogynistic comments if they're not mixed in with other less acceptable prejudices? And how about all the black men who call black women hos? Calling a woman a ho for no reason is misogyny and considering that male-female interaction is a lot more prevalent in society because of family and dating dynamics than race interaction (because of our segragated society) it has more of an impact. The ho comment actually originated with Imus's producer but it wasn't coached in racist terms - he said "nasty hos." And that didn't elicit any anger. But when Imus added a racist element to it, then it became a big deal. Don't get me wrong, i'm glad the racism was made into a big deal, but the misogyny should too.

Check this Matt. I am a college educated, holder of two Bachelor's Degrees, and a graduate student. Nobody "gave" me anything. I am not a racist, I'm just pro-black. Aren't you pro whatever race you are. Society is better off with me in it because it's people like me who irritate you and let you know how ugly and racist this country is. I'm the one that won't let you forget and get on with your "nice white life". My ancestors suffered, and my race continues to suffer because of what your race has done. As long as I have breath, I won't let you forget. I'm the person who will continue to remind you of what "moral, upright, and good " citizens you've been. You need to get a clue White America, we're here, and we won't go away.

I've heard worse from black stand-up about black women, not to mention how black women are treated in videos. This is another case of a 'black leader' blowing something out of proportion to exploit his own people for personal and political gain. He's been as crude to others, but they were white.

T. Tucker-
Yeeeea.. history.. when african chiefs sold prisioners of war to the spanish to kick off the North American Slave trade. And guess what, there are more slaves in Africa right now than any point in American history.

Also, I was born in the 80's, brought up to treat everyone as I treat myself, with respect. I'm not taking blame for people I have no ancestral link to, despite modern blacks trying to make me feel guilty so they can validate their perpetual victimhood and double-standards. THAT is racism, and many young folks like myself won't put up with that sort of labeling.

We're all Bill O'Reilly now, I see–populist, pandering, superficial, ahistorical cretins. Since when does wearing a basketball uniform make one "appear" like a "ho," much less a "gangbanger."

And, Nobody, is your point that black Africans somehow deserve to be slaves? And do you think that legal, institutionalized racism in the US ended in 1863? Racially restrictive covenants in US housing–an institution endorsed by the National Association of Realtors and the FHA–became illegal only in 1948; Plessy v. Ferguson was overturned only in 1954; and voting rights for blacks were guaranteed (formally, at least) only a decade later.

Why do you think Ronal Reagan kicked off his 1980 election campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi? Do you even know what that means?

The relevant past is too recent, and too many courageous people fought and died for their freedom, for the ignorance of fundamental historical facts on display here to be forgivable, or even comprehensible.

Nobody,

As a product of the 60's, I bring a personal history of racism, Jim Crow, and systemic racism with my opinions, and that is just what they are, opinions. If what I was saying was not the truth, why is there so much anger? The blame will always be on white America until they admit the wrongs that were committed, and until they make restitution. Stuckey, as a history major, and a black woman in the United States, I whole-heartedly agree with you. From 1619 to the Dred Scott Decision, to Don Imus, the United States was, is, and continues to be role model for what other countries don't want to be. Inefficient and incompetent leaders, opressive racism, illegal wars, I'll tell you our children won't have a chance if we do not speak up for them.

Stucky:

HAHAHA, you think that was my point? I know institutionalized racism lasted until the late 70's, but none of that was my fault, and I won't put up with racist generalizations that because I'm white I'm suppost to feel guilty for something me nor my ancestors did.

T. Tucker

No anger, just some mild amusement. If I was actually racist I wouldn't want black folks to better themselves, but it would help if the black leaders were speaking more against youth wanting to emulate thugs and 'gangstas' because doing well in school is 'acting white' instead of constantly waiting to pounce the next dumb white public figure.

and "The blame will always be on white America" IS a racist statement so you know. and teaching your children not to trust white people is racist too

In order to be racist, you have to have power over another group. Blacks can be prejudiced, but there is no way that they can be racist. I don't teach my children not to trust white people, but I have to let them know that INSTITUTIONAL RACISM DID NOT END IN THE 70'S, it is alive and well in 2007. If it wasn't why are we having these conversations?

T.Tucker:

then what government policies are opressing you? you'll have to excuse my ignorance, I guess I'm too young to have gotten my "keep the blacks down" white devil assignment yet ;)

I am a white male that grew up and lives in Alaska. I grew up with very understanding and loving parents. I was taught to treat everyone fairly, and never make a rash judgement. Hip hop is my music style and most of my friends are not white.
I only point these small things out because I was taught there was no line. Everyone is equal. That is the point isn't it. That we are ALL EQUAL. I understand that it hasn't always been this way and it still isn't, but if we sit and tell each other that our race is better than yours, doesn't that still feed the racism. Black or white. If a black man only feels hate, then his kids will too. If a white mother tells her kids how evil black people are, then we still have the hate. It only gets better when our current generation realizes all the wasted effort and educates our own children on what is right and wrong.
Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson are an example of men who grew up in the struggle and only learned to distrust white people. A better example of a true black leader would be Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Would he be running around today teaching people to hate?
As far as the white leadership is concerned, you are absolutely right about their, "Take care of our own" mindset. I don't agree with it, but until the black community brings someone like a Barak Obama that focuses on more issues than just race, we will not have a better country.

As far as Imus, fire his ignorant ass. The radio is no place to speak about young women trying to do something wonderful. When was the last time that idiot had a chance to win the Final Four? Eff him.

Sorry I jumped around, but you people that sit and try and debate slavery don't help anyone. Look for a solution, don't live in the past. I have never owned a slave before, so running around like I enslaved your great-grandpa is pretty stupid.

P.S. I will say that every Chris Rock special I have ever watched and laughed my ass at, had white jokes in it. I listen to David Banner when he calls us all crackers and I just laugh. I only laugh because if I made music that belittled the black community it would be in the papers and I would have more hate mail than the P.O. could deliver.

Imus should take a cue or two from Paris Hilton, who has been hit with accusations of racism but has made a major turnaround:

http://www.damnimcute.com/hoeb.....t-no-more/

Wow, your all pretty damn stupid, obviously racism, prejudice, hate, homophobia, and sexism still exists. None of you are helping it either. It doesnt even matter if you black, white, asian, hispanic, alaskan, were all fucked. Get a clue.

"Wow, your all pretty damn stupid"

well that says it all now doesn't it?

I stopped watching Imus when he attacked Contessa Brewer in an outrageous fashion, he was as cruel and demeanining towards her as he apparently was towards the Rutgers womens baketball team. What these women all had in common ,they obviously threatened him on a some level .I don't think apologies and charity work can make up for a lifetime of being inadequate.If this is supposed to be entertaining and funny I missed it!

T. Tucker

You are a prime example of what is wrong with most blacks, they think we owe them something without crediting our account with all the welfare and free food and medicine etc.
No sucessful black would have gotten anywhere without the help at some point by a white person.
The introduction of black students in our schools started a decline that grows daily in our education system.
As far as retribution, the people who mistreated your ancestors are dead as are the people that were mistreated.
Not every family owned slaves and most white people were tenent farmers to the same slave owners and don`t like the way our ancestors were treated either but we realize that we will not get any retribution from their family either.
God had it right in the beginning, he put a wide ocean between us and the blacks but some democrat had to go screw it up and bring them here by the boat load.
Did you ever consider that if there had never been slavery the odds are you would be on the serengeti dodging lions or something, you really owe the slavers a big thank you.
I will bet if you asked the owner of where ever you get paid and they told you the truth, they would say that you are not worth what you are paid but that they have to have a certain percentage of blacks to keep the gov. off their ass.

Quit complaining, do your job and enjoy life.

T. Tucker

How are you a graduate student and a product of Jim Crow? A grad student would be about 24 years old and the youngest product of Jim Crow would have to be about 50 years old. I'm not calling you a liar; I'm just saying that it would be awfully hard to be both. But I guess you could say that you are returning to college as an older man. An older man who uses blogs, you're very up to speed by the way.

And Nobody, I recieved my white devil assignment in Biology 212 last week, wish me luck.

Institutional racism against blacks ended long before I and probably T. Tucker were born. Everyone needs to quit either blaming whites or quit feeling white guilt. It is all stupid. Just work as hard as you can and live right and you representing your people as best you can. That's all you need to do.

Stuckey Savignon, Nobody did not say that blacks deserve to be slaves. He said that African prisoners of war were traded to Europeans for European technology. That is history, no major European conquest of Africa occured until after the slave trade ended. There is a joint history in the slave trade.

But, this should make some people angry. Shouldn't blacks be in a way glad their ancestors were slaves. It was terrible and inhumane for them, but their sacrafice allowed today's blacks to become free citizens in the greatest nation in the world. You can complain all you like, but I think having the chance to own a home and a car and a chance to better yourself is far better than living to the ripe old age of 34 in a mud hut in Zimbabwe. Yes slavery was terrible, but don't be a total ingrate. Do you realize what you have today would have never occured if it weren't for slavery?

Matt,

I am about 50 years old. Not all of us could afford to go to grad school at 24, some of us had to work first. Wayne, the whites did not do me a favor by bringing us over here no more than you do the world a favor by being here with your racist, and stupid point of views. I would like to live in a world that did not shape the point of views that I have, but systemic racism is here, and it is not going away easily. I am proud to be black, just as you are proud to be whatever you are. I have never received free food, medicine, or welfare. I worked my way through college to get two Bachelor's degrees, and went back to grad school at an age when most people are established in their careers. Put that on my account. I am a middle aged black woman with credentials. About the black students that were introduced to the school system who started the decline, it was not the black students, it IS the incompetent white teachers who teach them. As an eleventh year school teacher, I know this very well. I was a product of the public school system, and I have done what I needed to do to be successful. Now, lets talk about the "role models" that white America has put before not only us, but for whites too. List being too long to name, but lets look at Richard Nixon, Dick (tricky finger) Chaney, and Newt Gingrich. They're real winners. Don't forget about the righteous and upstanding Thomas Jefferson who in this day would be considered a pedifile for having children with someone under age, and the revered Jefferson Davis who reapeated Jefferson's act with one of his slaves. You can really miss me with those clueless views, white America owes the black community an apology for slavery and systemic racism if nothing else. Check your conscience, you know they owe much more.

Wayne,

Honey you are a real winner. If I were still in Africa, I would have still been a success. I roll like that. I have something called integrity, morals, and an education. Maybe you should try those, the last one first. Your folks were probably tenant farmers, your prose shows that. You probably got out of your beat up pick up truck to come in and to try to assassinate the character of blacks because you have none of your own. God bless you, because you need the blessings of something, but you are a prime example of what it means to be ignorant, uneducated, and just downright dumb in America.

T. Turner,

I am sorry I dobted you then. Very impressive of you to return to school at such a late age. Also, I am sorry for assume you were a male.

About role models though. I have read that Jefferson's slave girl was in her twenties, and I have never heard of the Jefferson Davis thing. Cheney didn't do anything besides have a hunting accident. Big deal. Gingrich had an affair, he is not the first. Big deal. Martin Luther King Jr. was a communist. He was paid by the Soviet Union to disrupt American society. That is why his FBI files were locked away for another thirty years. What would America think?

Malcom X was a terrorist and Mandela (not even an American, but I see his picture all the time during black history month, so black Americans must have adopted him. Maybe they ran out of people, I don't know) was a bus bomber.

I don't want to degrade King so much as what he did was right. Malcom X is a pile of shit though. He is the black equivillent of David Duke. But you see, anyone can tear down role models. Humans are not perfect.

Also, I believe that urban blight destroyed the public school system, not white teachers. Most inner-city school officals and adminstrators are black anyway. Another topic, another day. I have said more than I need to on this blog.

There should be a "u" in doubt. Sometimes I type too fast and forget to revise. Whatever.

Imus should not be punished for Free speech. If a Black Man had
made the same comment People would have been joking about it for
weeks. Blacks can't change the fact that some people don't like there
Race And It will always be that way. Look at the Jews and Polish
People. Get over yourself. You were not the first race to be the butt
of a joke or inslaved and I am positive you will not be the last.

Can't we just get along?

Just where was Al Sharpton and Jessee Jackson when OJ Simpson slashed two white people's throats ???

T. Tucker,

Well once again you are wrong, I am also well educated, not just schooled, as I suspect is the case with you, and I think I am moderately successful.
I have assets that conservately exceed five million dollars, but would be quite higher if I wasn`t taxed excessively to support the mass of people who do not work and that are provided with every need by the liberals that populate the Democrat party.
The bottom line is this, if black people ,as a rule would spend their time prductively instead of saying " woe is me" allthe time they might get some where.
After reading your comments I think that it is possible that your are indeed an exception to the rule.

Group Hug!

I think that there are more important thing to worry about. We have hunger, homlessness, and children to educate. There will ALWAYS be Imus's in the world, I don't care if he likes blacks or not. I've been called everything racial in the book, yet I survive, and even thrive. I am sure that you all will too, as we live and take our knocks (racial and otherwise), in the world. Like Matt, I've let off enough steam, and voiced my opinion. I am now through.

What if Imus had said " ….whoa man..look at all those bubble headed bleach blondes…..last time I saw that many racks….was in a herd of moose"
No one would of said shit….just lotsa laffs…

Get over it. Blacks have to stop worrying about how whites treat them and worry more about how they treat each other. Black on Black violence is still, by far, the most common affliction in american society.
Tuffin' up a bit.

We're having a lot of fun with the Imus catastrophe over at my blog. I don't think that Imus; though I have heard his racist/sexist humor before, really meant it in that context. Then again I'm not a regular viewer because MSNBC isn't the most exciting cable news channel either.

Funny thing is though; we saw them talking about it on TV, and my old lady was like, "well perhaps those girls were". I mean no one is disputing that those girls are tough and that they accomplishments go unduly noted. But girls can look tough as well, and that's really all that Imus was poking fun at. I was reading the Gaurdian and they stated that "nappy" actually does have some racist connotations to it, if you take into consideration the fact that it was, at one time, something that was said by one race against another, not something that I'd say to one of my peers. I guess that's something that I should have known.

I think the political correctness is going a bit too far though; I agree that I shouldn't call my peers the n word, simply out of respect, but if someone's hair is nappy, or even if I'm jealous because my hair is and theres isn't or whatever I think you should be able to say that. Perhaps his usage of that other word is what got peoples attention. I'd imagine this is the end of the line for Imus; it'll be interesting to find out …

I think a 2 week suspension and the public apology is suffice. The thing I don'g get is that when these unfortunate things comes to light, we get that Sharpton sticking his nose in. Like he's squeaky clean? He has more skeletons than Imus has for sure!!! Just ask the FBI or Google his name.

Sticks and Stones Will Break My Bones
But Names Will Never Hurt Me

Imus made a stupid comment and he's apologized for it, which is more than can be said about Sharpton. The fact of the matter is that it's time to just get over it and move on with your lives. Like T.Tucker said, there's more important things to worry about.

It is a sad day when a non perfect man can make a mistake, pay the price. While Ann Coulter, BillO and Rush continue to utter every degrading word to this nation. I will no longer watch MSNBC for removing IMUS as far as I am concerned you are worse than FOX NOISE! IMUS DO NOT APPOLIGISE NOW, they are not deserving!

Terri - I agree - - why do the extreme right folks say anything they want to - the rap music is hideous - my friends and I will no longer be watching MSNBC - without IMUS and the politicians, journalists from around the world, t.v. is just plain boring and politically one sided - except IMUS - -

who cares what Imus thinks and says? The people who watch his show already know he is crass and opinionated and seems angry all the time. That is his appeal to them. I have seen a few minutes of him a few times, not my cup of tea, too much. if the girls are not nappy-headed hos, they have nothing to worry about. The same people who liked him before will still like him, most likely. I imagine he can get some of Rush Limbaugh's sponsers with no problem. I think the crap he said is the very reason some people like him, sort of a howard stern thing. and, sure is strange to me how rap artists say much worse things on their CDs, then turn around and get awards for them. Would things have been different if Imus was a black rap artist?

After reading the above posts, it's obvious why Imus is on the air. The TRUTH is he (and Rush Limbaugh-types) are popular because they say all the things MOST of you don't have the courage to utter aloud.

These shock jocks — all white males by the way– are the "safety valves" for the racism that exists in many of your hearts. They represent your LONGING to go back to the "good, old days" when blacks and other minorities had to take whatever you dished out. Where whites didn't have to compete with anyone who wasn't white.

The primarily reason you're angry is another "voice" of the real people beneath the white masks was silenced. Talk about whining, who whines MORE than certain whites every time black people open their mouths?

Since the JUSTIFIABLE reasons for his firing escape some of you, I'll give you an analogy you can relate to:

A black male talk sport commentator is watching eight white college-age cheerleaders perform at a game and says, "Look at those pasty-faced, stringy-haired, flat-azzed white girls. Man, white girls sure got some flat-azzes. Time for some butt implants, boys or take them off the field." Then, there's laughter in the background as a group of black men chuckle and high-five each other.

After all the OUTRAGE from whites mushrooms out of "proportion" , the black host apologizes and gets a two-week suspension. Now you tell me how long this black man would stay on the air? How many of you would accept his "apology" and NOT ask for his head on a platter?

Bottom line, most of you are full of it. You are dishonest hypocrites with an appalling double standard. Admit it, you are charmed by the racist banter on talk radio. It makes you FEEL good; feel better about your own lives when they put blacks down. At least you had somebody to look down on instead of looking in your own mirrors. Now, Al Sharpton (who didn't act alone, by the way) took your toys away.

awwwwwww….what a shame.

Terri Patanus says: "It is a sad day when a non perfect man can make a mistake, pay the price. While Ann Coulter, BillO and Rush continue to utter every degrading word to this nation. I will no longer watch MSNBC for removing IMUS as far as I am concerned you are worse than FOX NOISE! IMUS DO NOT APPOLIGISE NOW, they are not deserving!"

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Who are "they", Terri? Could it be that old Imus's firing is driving the racists out of the woodpile? :-)

Actually, this FIRING is a good thing–no, a GREAT THING. Let the rest of America see what is hiding beneath some of the white masks people like yourself wear to hide who you really are. Very good…..

That you have MORE sympathy for Imus than you do for the young women–actually girls, since they were UNDER 21–who Imus DEMEANED and DEGRADED without ANY reason speaks VOLUMES about YOU– NOT black people.

The problem with Imus being FIRED is SOME of you miss the “good old days” of extreme, unlimited white male privilege to do any damn thing they wanted to black people and women.

Could say anything, do anything, and there would be no consequences. That’s why the Rush Limbaughs, Imus, and other white male shock-jocks are SO popular with so many whites, especially white males. What i don't understand is why so many white women would support a man that would refer to ANY young women as "hos"? Strange, indeed…

I'm sorry you won't have Imus around any more to do your dirty work. And i hope you never have to explain to your little girl why a strange black man would say on national TV that girls like her were "stringy-haired, pasty-faced, flat-azzed hos."

Of course, WE BOTH KNOW, that would never be allowed to happen, don't we, Joanne?

NOR SHOULD IT EVER HAPPEN.

Bottom line, some whites are afraid. Afraid of equality. Afraid to compete FAIRLY. Afraid of white skin not having the automatic power it used to have. Afraid of black and brown PROGRESS. Afraid of losing the guarantee that you will always be richer and better off than those "dark" people. Afraid of sharing the riches of this country with people whose ancestors have probably been here LONGER than your own. I can trace my family tree back to slavery days IN the good old USA. How many of YOU have family trees with American roots that long?

So, you HIDE behind the Imus-style jock shocks, hoping they will say the things you want to hear but can’t say aloud. You enjoy "reminding" black people and other minorities of their “inferiority” status because you don’t personally have the power to do it yourself.

YOU NEED TO FEEL SUPERIOR and that's the bottom line. Otherwise, WHY would a decent, intelligent, MORAL person get off on listening to someone DEMEAN and RIDICULE and DEGRADE other people based on sex or race alone?

What does this kind of "sense of humor" say about the person who's enjoying it?

Harmless fun, huh? Telling 17 and 18 and 19 year olds that they are UGLY in front of a national audience of MILLIONS.

Oh yeah, i forgot. These aren't "your kids". They're black kids. They're not real people with real feelings who deserve to be defended and protected. Not like YOUR kids.

Bear with me and try to imagine for one moment, a black man on a national talk show saying something SPECIFIC and DEMEANING about WHITE KIDS racial features and YOUR KID heard it. How would you feel about that? Would a simple apology be enough for you, terri?

What if a teacher said in front of the whole class that your daughter was FAT or UGLY you wouldn't think demand that the teacher be fired, would you? No, because that would be a double standard, right, Terri?

Why shouldn't Imus call young black girls who worked hard to get to college and make honor roll grades AND almost win a national championship “nappy-headed hos”. Why not sacrifice them and their feelings to make people like YOU feel better about yourselves?

What's wrong with Imus STEALING their good feelings about themselves at that moment? They should just get over it and we blacks and decent whites should keep our mouths shut so Imus can do it AGAIN, right?

Personally, after hearing that Imus was FIRED, I will sleep like a newborn baby. Just like my sweet baby daughter who I hope will NEVER have to hear on NATIONAL TELEVISION some old white man calling black girls “nappy-headed hos.”

And speaking of rap music,

Some whites act like black people are all joined by some gigantic umbilical cord. We are INDIVIDUALS just like white people. We do not all listen to gangster rap, we do not all call each other b's and hos.

Imus has to take responsibility. He is a a GROWN AZZ MAN. The WORDS came out of his mouth. That’s like saying, I rob a house and when I get caught, I use the excuse that the other guys robbed a house down the street so I shouldn’t be arrested. If that was YOUR HOUSE would that logic fly?

Black people — including Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson—have been protesting demeaning rap music for YEARS. As a matter of fact, Al Sharpton was on CNN last month during the special on rap music and he was speaking out against it.

Reasonable and INTELLIGENT people understand that blaming all black men for gangster rap is like saying Eminen — a WHITE GANGSTER RAPPER represents ALL white men, regardless of age.

Neither Al nor any OTHER black person, however, own and control the GIANT media companies that put this crap out, do we? Guess who owns Time-Warner, MTV, BET, Viacom, etc? WHITE MEN.

Do you believe for a second that all this gangster crap would make a dime if they didn't get air-time on the white-controlled radio stations, cable channels and if it wasn't distributed by the major music store outlets? The fact is WHITE KIDS buy most of this music. Its popularity is actually DECLINING in the black community.

So, if you're going to BLAME a race for a nationwide phenomen, better take a glance in the mirror while you're at it.

And while you're all feeling "sorry" for Imus and yourselves, try to imagine a black man on TV saying to MILLIONS of viewers referring to your white daughters and wives and sisters and nieces and aunts and lovers and friends as — "stringy-haired hos and sluts".

If you tell me YOU wouldn't be demanding this black man's head on a PLATTER, then you ALL have bigger problems other than lacking the God-given common sense and decency to agree that Imus DESERVED TO BE FIRED.

The BOTTOM LINE is Imus said it. No black rapper was standing there with a gun to his head. Imus is a VETERAN of the media. He knows ANYONE from talk show hosts to politicians KNOW there are dangerous lines you never cross without risking your ENTIRE career.

Well, Imus stepped over that line. It doesn't make any difference WHY he did it. HE DID IT. He said the words more than once. It was NO SLIP OF THE LIP. AND, he's done it before.

And as far as him not being a racist, unless YOU know him personally, you don't know JACK about the man. I keep hearing folks taking up for him, explaining his motivation who have never MET the man face to face (talk about silly azzed logic)

Saying Imus couldn't be a racist just because he donates all this money to charity and helps black children. How does anyone know why he does what he does? For all we know it's motivated by guilt. Let's be a little more sophisticated in our thinking. John Wayne Gacy–and I'm not comparing Imus to Gacy–used to perform as a clown at children's parties to make them LAUGH.

Most people aren't all good or all bad. Who we are can only be judged by WHAT WE DO and how we TREAT OTHER PEOPLE.

Being a multi-millionaire and donating money to charity (and getting a fat tax write-off) does NOT tell us who that person is. Maybe he's a bad man who occasionally does a good thing or a good man who occasionally does some bad things. Who the hell knows?

YET this experienced veteran does a horrible thing to eight innocent girls who never did a single wrong to him. And after doing this "thing" he says over and over — "I'm a good person." And then blames black rappers because HE — a grown man — used the words. Is he saying at the age of 67 he does NOT know right from wrong?

Unfortunately for Imus, his HATEFUL words to a group of young, hard-working, exceptional young black women who NEVER did one bit of harm to him will probably be the most lasting legacy of his long career.

WAYNE says: "What have white people got to do now, we can`t say anything unless we run it thru a editor, we will never be able to get along with black people, they are so stupid."

Once again, thanks, Wayne. It's so great for all these white people in one setting to prove just how much racism is in the hearts of you white folks. See, for a minute, black people actually started believing the hype (lies) that white America had changed.

I always say, the truth will set you free. One day it will set my people free because our eyes are opening to what we are dealing with behind the deceptive and deceitful white masks.

I hope more and more Imus's come out of the woodwork along with everyday white people like yourself who are so IGNORANT they can't even stop being racist LONG enough to protest that Imus isn't racist.

Kinda comical, really….

Sharptonisracist says: "Al Sharpton - what has he EVER done in his life, except play the race card? Jesse Jackson cheats on his wife and has a baby, but that is OK? Look up nappy in the dictionary…that's right. Stevie Wonder sang "Looking back on when I was was a NAPPY headed little boy."

Wow, these posts are more precious than gold. If I ever believed that there was such an animal as white intellectual superiority, some of you have killed that notion — forever! Appreciate that.

What a silly azz you are, not knowing the difference between the words in a Stevie Wonder song when he was singing about HIMSELF — and Imus calling eight young black women ages 17 to 19 "nappy headed hos" to an audience of MILLIONS of people.

THen, you jump off the subject entirely and start talking about Jesse's sex life (???).

So, you're saying that if Jesse or Al came on national TV and called some white college cheerleaders a bunch of "stringy-haired, pasty-faced, flat-azzed hos", you'd be alright with that. Right?

You'd be writing on this thread, saying "Hey, he apologized! He was just joking and I forgive him." Right?

Some of you silly azzed folks on this thread make a man wonder how you make it to the bathroom in the morning without getting lost…

Matt says:

Wayne — Black people are not stupid. I understand your frustraiton at the hipocrisy, but I urge you not to make generalizations. The only black people who care about this are the racist black activists like Sharpton, Jackson, T. Tucker, and the pretender Rese. It is honestly not a big deal except to the biggots and the whinners like those mentioned.

You see Wayne, we do actually get along with black people. The ones we don't get along with are the criminals in the ghetto who constantly blame it on racist policemen even when they are caught on camera doing all the things they do, and the race baiters who rush to their aid like "civil rights leaders" and the NAACP.

So please don't generalize, but be aware.

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that's it, Matt, educate your brother. It's great to see two great minds communicating. AND, as a black man, I appreciate you speaking for all black people and telling us what we care about. Funny thing is, your post reminds me of something i read about the Civil Rights movement from a bunch of Klansmen.

"All nigras ain't bad. It's just the Commies and the bad ones like Martin Luther King who is stirring up all this trouble. The good ones know their place and keep their mouths shut. Oh yeah, pass me that stick of dynamite and the matches, 'cause I'm about to blow up this church and kill me a bunch of little black girls."

Speaking of "criminals in the ghetto" I have three comments.

First, the word "ghetto" originated in Warsaw, Poland. Two, the FIRST urban slums, urban gangs and drive by shootings were created or inhabited by WHITE PEOPLE. Ever hear of Al Capone? :-)

Third, if you want to talk about violence–some of which HAS been captured on videotape, here's a video I'm sure you'll enjoy:

The Most Chilling Bait Car Video Yet
http://www.baitcar.com/node?page=3

And here's a short list of VIOLENT CRIMES if you're interested:

Jack the Ripper (oops, sorry, that happened in ENGLAND)
The slaughter of American Indians
FORCED enslavement, murder, castration, hanging, rape of MILLIONS of African slaves.
Salem witch hunts
The MAJORITY of mass killings, serial killers, child molesters, murders and deaths in the history of the U.S.
The first gang members
The first ghetto and slum dwellers
The FIRST drive-by shootings (machine guns during the mob wars of the 1920s and 1930s.
Destruction of the environment and the artificial extinction of thousands of species by disrespect of nature and the planet
The atom bomb
The hydrogen bomb
Global warning
The CIA
The Vietnam War
The Iraq war
The drug trade
Catholic priests (some people consider RAPE of children a violent act)
Bombing of Grenada
KKK
Jeffrey Dahmer
Ted Bundy
John Wayne Gacy

Oh my damn, the list is too long to continue…

Before i forget, Matt, WE (blacks) don't give a damn if you "get along" with us or not. You don't own this country or this planet. It will be the greatest day on earth for this nation when some of you whites REALIZE that we don't NEED your permission to EXIST.

We have EARNED the right by 400 YEARS of FREE LABOR and by fighting in EVERY WAR this country has ever fought and by creating some of the most important inventions known to man, like the traffic light, the first blood bank, propellants for nuclear reactors, the first automatic refrigeration system for long-haul trucks, etc., etc.

The problem with SOME whites is NOT only are you IGNORANT of our black history, you are IGNORANT of your own. Otherwise you wouldn't be so damn arrogant and ignorant, especially since you, Matt, have probably contributed very little PERSONALLY to this great country of ours, other than an being born from a white womb. My man, please, please, don't let that be your crowning achievement in life — being born white.

Instead of ranting on-line, you should open a book sometimes and learn something new.

All of you need to just realize that racism is not going to go away unless everybody can change their ways. Something like that is not going to happen over night. Yes, it is true that Imus crossed the line with his comments, but how many comments have Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson made that over stepped the line as well? If you want an example, google Sharpton's white-interloper comment and Jackson's hymie-town comment. I'm not defending Imus. Personally I don't know and don't care if he, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson are racist. For me, there's more important things to worry about right now. Everybody needs to just get over it and move on with their lives.

Bertha says:
Just where was Al Sharpton and Jessee Jackson when OJ Simpson slashed two white people's throats ???

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Wow, the intelligence of some of you (white) posters is really astonishing — BUT a little confusing.

First, you guys want Jesse and Al to shut the hell up, and then you get seriously ticked off because they don't get involved in every single crime ever committed.

This is really confusing….

Shut up! NO — don't you dare shut up!

Oh, wait a minute! I get it! All black people are personally responsible for every crime a black man commits!

So, rather than Jesse and Al choosing what events they want to get involved with, they are OBLIGATED to get involved in EVERYTHING white folks say is important. Because, after all, ALL black people are responsible for any crime another black person commits. I gotcha.

Hmmm, Bertha, wonder if that standard works in reverse for white people?

When Jeffrey Dahmer killed all those young men of color, why weren't you there to stop it? OR at the very least, you should have PERSONALLY apologized to the familie of those dead men. Right?

You said that's ridiculous? Well, I kinda agree since I thought it was STUPID, the way you assumed that Jesse and Al should have been present at the OJ Simpson murder so they could stop it, i guess, but I was just following YOUR logic.

Or maybe, after the crime, they should have devoted their energies to the OJ Simpson case, which, it seemed to me WASN'T a hate crime OR a civil rights violation. It was DOMESTIC VIOLENCE and SPOUSE MURDER.

Happens every day in America. Just ask Lacey Peterson's family or Carol Stuart's family. Remember them? Remember Chuck Stuart from Boston who shot and killed his pregnatnt wife and the fetus she was carrying? Should Jesse and Al been involved in those cases, too?

Just curious, Bertha…

Are you as ANGRY with Robert Blake (white) who was also accused of killing his wife, Bonnie Lee Bakley, and was acquitted of her murder? Her children filed a civil lawsuit and won $30 million — NONE of which Blake has ever paid.

Do any of you and your white buddies talk about that case at all? Or do you reserve ALL your rage for black folks?

Talk about a damn double standard….

H. Cole says:
All of you need to just realize that racism is not going to go away unless everybody can change their ways. Something like that is not going to happen over night. Yes, it is true that Imus crossed the line with his comments, but how many comments have Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson made that over stepped the line as well? If you want an example, google Sharpton's white-interloper comment and Jackson's hymie-town comment. I'm not defending Imus. Personally I don't know and don't care if he, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson are racist. For me, there's more important things to worry about right now. Everybody needs to just get over it and move on with their lives.

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The difference, man, is neither comment was directed at the PHYSICAL RACIAL CHARACTERISTICS OF JEWS or WHITES. Jesse didn't say, New York is full of hook-nosed, sallow-faced Jews, to a group of young Jewish girls who were minding their own business.

Neither did they say it DELIBERATELY ON THE AIR to millions of VIEWERS.

Like I said before, IF a black male talk show host had said ON AIR to MILLIONS of viewers that the white cheerleaders on a team — of ANY AGE — were "stringy-haired, pasty-faced, flat azzed hos" — there would be NO doubt that white people would SCREAM and DEMAND he be fired.

The difference, my man, is a BLACK MAN would have KNOWN better because white people don't play that. No apology in the world would have satisfied y'all. He not ONLY would have gotten fired, he would have received death threats and been BLACKBALLED from the industry. Period.

Case in point: Tim Hardaway. Black NBA player? Remember him?

When Hardaway said, "Well, you know I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it."

Later in the day, Hardaway apologized for the remarks during a telephone interview with Fox affiliate WSVN in Miami. "I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said I hate gay people or anything like that." He further apologized on February 15 in a statement released by his agent.

On February 15, the NBA responded to Hardaway's comments by removing him from its All-Star Weekend activities later that week. Commissioner David Stern released a statement saying that "It is inappropriate for him to be representing us given the disparity between his views and ours."

Hardaway's employer, Trinity Sports, owner of the Anderson-based CBA Indiana Alley Cats, dismissed him from his position as Chief Basketball Operations Advisor, and the CBA issued a statement distancing itself from Hardaway's remarks.

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Did Jesse and Al come to HIS defense, saying, "hey, he's a black guy. He's sorry about that. Isn't his apology enough?"

Did any of the white people posting on this topic come to his defense? "Hey, the black guy apologized. He didn't even PERSONALLY insult any gay guys. He just said he didn't like them in general."

Like i said before, most of you are full of it and you know what i'm talking about. Got the nerve to talk about double standards? You're right. Racism is NOT going to go away, not as long as people want to EXCUSE it and DENY it and are DELUSIONAL enough to think you can abuse people forever, like it's your God-given right because your skin is white.

The entire world is shifting, my man, and pretty soon being white won't be ENOUGH. Your people have damn near spent up all their moral capital and the decline of white rule is evident not just in this country but in political arenas all over the world. AND for good reason.

It's time to wake up and stop all this racist bulls*t before it's too late. God does not like ugly and i'm not talking about anybody's mugs.

Paul Harris:

I don't watch sports or watch news on t.v. I get my news from the internet and I vaguely remember something about Tim Hardaway. Look, all I am saying is that racism is not going to end overnight and that there is racism, prejudice and hatred on every side of the race line. What I think is going to end racism is for every person out there to change the way they are, and that's everybody, black, white, red, yellow, pink, purple, whatever. What you said about Sharpton and Jackson's comments is true, they weren't broadcast to millions of people, but the comments still reached people. And I never said that it's my God given right to abuse people cuz I'm white. I don't believe that and I will never believe that. Just cuz someone is black or white doesn't mean that they have a given birth right to demean, demoralize, etc. another race. I was raised not to judge people by their skin, looks, whatever and I will raise my children the same way. I'm not condoning what Imus, Sharpton or Jackson said either. And you are right, not every black person is responsible for a crime committed by a black person. But the same goes for whites. Not every white person is responsible for what another white person says or does. I don't believe that every black person is a murderer because of OJ, but not every white person is a racist because of Imus. I just believe that everybody needs to grow and continue on with their lives.

if a black female had said it, there'd be no controversy. it's not even like he said the n word, jesus fucking christ. grow up people!

and before you start yelling at me i support equal rights every which way. native american, african american, and everything. just like sexual discrimination, this is NOT a one way street. remember that!

To H. Cole:

While I appreciate the reasonable nature of your response look at the OTHER responses from the predominantly white posters.

Look at the contempt, the hostility, the DENIAL, the constant foolishness and ignorance and sometimes outright STUPIDITY of some of these posts and how mean spirited and personal their attacks become.

For ex., when candi says:
"if a black female had said it, there'd be no controversy. it's not even like he said the n word, jesus fucking christ. grow up people!"

Now what sense did that make? When has candi ever heard of a BLACK FEMALE SHOCK-JOCK ON TV? When has she ever heard of a black female ON NATIONAL TV call white females anything close to what Imus said about those innocent black girls?

So what sense does it make? Where's the logic? How does she know if there are NO black shock jocks on TV?

Did she ever ask herself why there are no black shock jocks? Could it be that black people would NOT be allowed to spew HATRED on national TV?

Did you ever ask yourself WHY so many white people love to listen to these white male shock jocks that DEMEANS women and people of color? What does that say about their mentality that they enjoy it so much?

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Then you said: "Look, all I am saying is that racism is not going to end overnight and that there is racism, prejudice and hatred on every side of the race line."

I have to disagree. Here's why: "Say you're a little kid (a black slave) in a schoolyard and some bigger kid (white slavers) comes up and punches you for no reason and takes your lunch money.

From the time you're in second grade (all during slavery) to the end of high school (up to the 21st century) you have tried EVERYTHING you can think of to make this guy like and accept you.

You try to be like him, dress like him, talk like him, get an education, you even go so far as to fight HIS battles with him (like black men fighting in every war from the revolutionary to the present Iraq war).

All this time from the 2nd grade to your senior year in high school, nobody says anything, nobody stops him (from 1870s Post slavery era to late 1960s segregation era). As a matter of fact, people make fun of YOU for taking that azz-whippping and tell you to stop crying every time you get beat up. (civil rights era up to present)

FINALLY, one day you (ME) decide you don't like this dude, either. You feel like — "F*ck him. He ain't worth the effort. He'll never change into a human being."

And now that you're at the point where you REFUSE to take anymore of his mess and the next time he f*cks with you, you punch that motha's lights out, he (whites) starts calling YOU (blacks) a BULLY (racists)!

You're like — "What? This fool has been f*cking with me for all this time and he thinks I should never get mad or fight back? Is he morally insane?"

In a word, HELL YES.

See, the problem is MOST American whites don't know their own history in this country and don't WANT to know. This is evident by the sheer ignorance and arrogance of their posts. They are DESPERATE to demonize someone rather than the face the OBVIOUS TRUTH. That you don't have a moral leg to stand on. Point black period.

Whenever I've asked the white people I know — "name me ONE time a black person, black organization, black company, black bank, etc, has EVER stopped you from doing or having or being something you wanted to be, like renting an apartment, getting a home loan, a job, an education, a promotion, police protection,etc.? Come on, give me something."

You know the answer I always got after much frowning, and hemming and hawing and massive brainstorming?

ABSOLUTE SILENCE.

And please don't tell me 'affirmative action'. Black people don't control the systems that hand out the jobs or the university slots. Unless you know PERSONALLY with your own eyes the DETAILS of the black person's background you don't know HOW or WHY they got the job or university slot.

Let's face it, EVERY TIME a black person gets something a white person didn't get (a job, a promotion, a seat in a university), whites accuse them of getting it unfairly. Never met a white person in my LIFE who felt ANY black person was more qualified than they were. But that's another story for another time…

The TRUE definition of Racism is: the SYSTEMATIC exclusion or mistreatment of a people by a person or people in power (yes, IMUS had power by virtue of a national audience of MILLIONS).

For white people to have the HISTORY they have and know NOTHING about it is more shameful than some of the posts I have read on this thread.

What is it about hating people who are different that turns so many of you on?

Just don't understand it….

I just noticed something….

When I asked white posters what would happen to a black male talk show host on national TV if he called a group of white cheerleaders some — "stringy-haired, pasty-faced, flat-azzed hos"?

I asked if he would be fired AND should he be fired?

I haven't gotten ONE SINGLE RESPONSE to my question.

Wonder why?

Kinda makes one go hmmm…

Paul Harris:

I understand what you are saying about being beaten down your entire life. But I have known some black males that were just as big of bullies as some white guys I knew. As for the black shock jock, I don't listen to that kind of radio or t.v. But I have been channel surfing and flipped past Howard Stern, who does have a black female jockey. I'm not sure if she is considereed a shock jock, but she's on a shock jock show. The only other example is that there's a black guy on a morning show called Walton and Johnson, but I don't know if they are considered shock jocks. And on the topics of blacks fighting in every war besides white men, I know that better than most everyone here because I am currently in Iraq fighting for ALL americans rights beside black guys that are friends of mine. And I agree that some of these posts are ignorant, but not all white people are like that. You are right, I have never taken the time to look at my family history, but I do have a family history book at home that I could look st if I wanted. And I am not going to go into affirmative action either, because I personally just don't believe in it, but that does not make me a racist. I will tell you that I am one of those types that if a black person gets promoted before me I DON'T accuse them of getting it unfairly. I guess that's one of the few good things about the military, people are promoted based on their qualifications. The only people that I am prejudiced/racist against are the people who don't have any ambitions in life and waste their lives doing nothing. That includes people from every race though. Now about your black male talk show host on national TV if he called a group of white cheerleaders some - "stringy-haired, pasty-faced, flat-azzed hos"? Personally I would wonder what made him say that in the first place, like I did with Imus. I would probably even laugh a little too if I heard anyone say that. And if he apologized, then I would be saying the same thing that I am saying about Imus, which is move on. And once again, I think people should just move on with their lives. I don't know about anyone else, but I have a lot more things to worry about than whether or not someone is racist. And Paul, if I have offended you or anyone else here, I truly did not mean to and it was completely accidental.

the fake outrage by jesse jackson&al sharpton is disgusting . those two "preacher pimps" are only concerned about lining thier pockets with racist cooperate money to support the lifestyle they are accustomed to. as a black american male,i feel disgust from these two social paracites,than anything mr.imus said,because,mr imus misspoke. he's not racist,he's a nut from the 60's having a "brain freeze".

TO:Paul Harris,
I hate to tell you this but my fourteen year old white daughter did hear this, and yes it was a shock! But a forgiveable one! for the 10% of you idiots who do not know him I hope you have children who may need his help one day. The man has single handly given more money to cures for childrens cancer.
Being from the south I can tell you your hopes of racisim going away is far from being a reality. I went to my class renunion the African Americans on one side the Whites on the other.
My mother in Law who lives in Ohio still calls the kettle black. My daughter has learned more about nongiving people than the color they are. Nonforgivers will go to HELL in her book! Look inside ask youself where do you stand.
IMUS is a replubican and did not stand behind HILIARY that is the only difference that he and I ever had. You on the other hand, are a non forgiver so we know where you will be down the road.
Heck, Rosie has said worse! The Rutgers has no value to be regardless the color, but based on color they have reached a fame that is not due to them. I do not watch Baseball, Basketball or Football on TV. I do watch TV when a person is allowed "FREEDOM of SPEECH" I think Imus needs to sue MSNBC Ithink that would be classic.
The RUTGERS meant nothing before FRIDAY and it will not mean a thing TOMORROW.
IMUS is a CLASSIC HERO who helped many dying black, white children and as far as I am concerned move out the kids of those who do not support IMUS and in those who truely respect him.
I am sure Paul there are things you have said in your life it sounds by your post that you have been forgiven because you are here. But not to forgive makes you a non christian. SO YOU ARE IRREVELENT!
I RESPECT IMUS if it were not for him, I would not truely know the RIPOFFAMERICAN party.

H. Cole says:

I understand what you are saying about being beaten down your entire life. But I have known some black males that were just as big of bullies as some white guys I knew.
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I appreciate your thoughtful responses. It's obvious that you at least are taking the time to try to understand another person's viewpoint. I appreciate that.

My analogy of a bully was not about what we do as individuals, i was talking about the white race versus the black race and our history together. I'm not saying that blacks are saints and whites are devils, but OUR history together is undeniable.

My point is black people have done everything they can as a group to overcome racism but we cannot change our skin color (not that we'd want to) and how and why that makes it easy to identify us and target us.

I really wish more whites would put down the remote and pick up a book and read about the civil rights movement and any history related to race. A lot of blacks need to do this, also. Otherwise, we will keep drowning in IGNORANCE.

H. Cole, maybe you're being honest about the way you'd feel if a black man called some young white girls on national TV some racially demeaning names but can you HONESTLY say from reading the posts on this site and from talking to the whites that you know that they would not be GREATLY offended and demand he be fired?

The real question is why so many whites think what Imus did was no big deal. Why so many have NO empathy, sympathy or concern for those eight young black girls who are doing EXACTLY what white America tells blacks to do? Get an education and strive for something.

And yet, no one wants to defend their right NOT to be demeaned on national TV by a man old enough to know better. All of the sympathy and concern is for the perpetrator NOT the victims.

If he had been black, I would have wanted his azz FIRED. I despise gangster rap. I despise the idea of people making MILLIONS by being cruel and ignorant. People need to stop assuming that every single black person is identical to the next.

What else can a black person like myself conclude after reading these posts? Look at all the racist comments that preceded mine? What does that tell you — AND me?

That's why i FIRED back with both guns a'blazing. Bottom line. I will speak in the language i am spoken to. The days of blindly kissing white azz are over for many black folks, jack.

ENOUGH is ENOUGH. And if someone has a problem with ME defending those innocent black girls when I have a BLACK DAUGHTER who will one day have to face people who feel free to demean the way she looks–they can kiss my natural black azz.

No kidding.

I just don't understand it. What is it that makes some of you whites (not all) have this HUGE NEED to have other races demeaned? I could understand young people being this foolish but ADULTS?

Don't adults have the capacity anymore to know right from wrong?

I just don't get it…

Terri, I'll dissect your post one section at a time:

Terri Patanus says:

I hate to tell you this but my fourteen year old white daughter did hear this, and yes it was a shock!
But a forgiveable one!"

Terri, why would you or your daughter have to forgive an insult that was not intended for you? His APOLOGY isn't YOURS or your daughter's to decide to accept–or not. Get it?

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Terri Patanus says:

"For the 10% of you idiots who do not know him I hope you have children who may need his help one day. The man has single handly given more money to cures for childrens cancer."

Like i said before, Terri, nobody is completely good or bad BUT we are ALL accountable for our actions. This was NOT the first time he demeaned black women. So, if I slapped you once, twice, three times, would a simple apology be good enough for you, Terri?

The saddest part is MOST of you white posters haven't shown ONE bit of concern for these black girls or what it felt like to be PUBLICLY HUMILIATED & CALLED UGLY on NATIONAL TV to an audience of millions. I'd say that pretty much sums it up for me what kind of decent human beings some of you are….

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Terri Patanus says: "Being from the south I can tell you your hopes of racisim going away is far from being a reality. I went to my class renunion the African Americans on one side the Whites on the other."

Now, Terri, you're reaching. What ACT of racism did i commit OTHER than respond to all this racist nonsense that PRECEDED my posts. The idea that you can attend a class reunion with black people who went to your same high is no great achievement. Obviously, it was to you. Makes me wonder why…
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Terri Patanus says: "IMUS is a replubican and did not stand behind HILIARY that is the only difference that he and I ever had. You on the other hand, are a non forgiver so we know where you will be down the road."

No, Terri, I am a product of this society and of people (white) who want to pretend that racism doesn't DAMAGE people. I make NO apologies for not thinking highly of people who enjoy hearing my women or my race demeaned. Sorry.

Look, you can support Imus until you are pink in the face. Who cares? not i. Just like i have the right NOT to support him. Okay?
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Then the truth comes out of Terri Patanus's mouth, finally and she says: "The Rutgers has no value to be regardless the color, but based on color they have reached a fame that is not due to them."

Ah… these girls have NO value. They reached a fame that is NOT due them. I'm not sure if Terri is talking about the basketball championship OR the NEGATIVE publicity that none of the girls asked for, thanks to Imus's BIG MOUTH.

Interesting how if you let a racist run off at the mouth long enough all kinds of interesting comments come out, and sometimes even a little bit of the truth — by accident, of course.

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Terri Patanus says: "IMUS is a CLASSIC HERO who helped many dying black, white children and as far as I am concerned move out the kids of those who do not support IMUS and in those who truely respect him."

Oh boy, now Terri wants to punish dying black kids NOT just the black girls on the Rutgers team. The "kids who do not support him" i guess means some black kid dying of cancer is responsible for Imus losing his job?

Ah, Terri, I'd be careful about talking about going to hell in your post. You kinda sound like you're on pretty shaky moral ground yourself. No disrespect intended.

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"I am sure Paul there are things you have said in your life it sounds by your post that you have been forgiven because you are here. But not to forgive makes you a non christian."

And i guess it's "Christian", Terri, to say dying black kids should be tossed out on their can because some black ADULTS do not support Imus. I guess it's "Christian" to not care about the feelings of eight young black women from aged 17 to 19 and to demean their HARD WORK.

I'm pretty certain after reading your posts, that you haven't accomplished HALF of what they've done. Have you ever almost won a national championship? Were you an "A" student at an Ivy League college? Did you finish college? Are you a musical protege, Terri? Just what have you done great enough to get on TV, Terri? So, tell me who on this site is "irrelevant", Terri?

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then Terri Patanus closes with: "I RESPECT IMUS if it were not for him, I would not truely know the RIPOFFAMERICAN party."

A fitting ending to your post because I didn't understand one damn word of that last line. Keep up the good Christian work, Terri!

Paul:

Thanks for the appreciation. I am trying to be abetter husband to my wife, who says that I need to look at both sides not just one. My apologies about not totally realizing you were talking about the entire black race. Sometimes I don't get the big picture. While I agree that blacks have done tremendous things to overcome racism, I do have to disagree somewhat. I have been around black guys that are the stereotypical "gangster" and I have been around white people that are your steotypical "hillybilly" but I believe that if both races educated themselves and strived to be more than what their race apperas to be then we can be on our way to having no racsim. And I totally agree with you about both races needing to read more about history, otherwise like you said, we will both be drowning in ignorance. You are right, from these posts, it would seem that they would be greatly offended. But I did answer you honestly on a personal level. I have seen comedians make fun of white people and I've laughed at it when it was funny and I've also seen white comedians make fun of blacks and same thing, if it was funny then I would laugh. I know that those two comparisons are like apples and oranges, but hopefully I have explained that what I said was in total honesty. I have no idea why people think that what Imus said was no big deal, I'm only one white male out of millions. I will say that personally I did think that it was wrong what he said about the girls. They were doing something great and what he said degraded them and what they were doing. Now, I don't necessarily hate gangter rap, but I don't like it either it. I will admit though, there are few songs that someone could classify as gangster rap that I listen to. I agree that people need to stop assuming that blacks are all the same, but people also need to realize that whites are not all the same either. As for the posts before yours and mine, yes, some of them are stupid, idiotic and racist, but those people don't represent every white person out there. I agree that, as you put it, the days of blindly kissing white azz are over for many blacks and I support it, but like I have said before, not every white person wants blacks to kiss their azz. I agree with the way you feel about the people demeaning your daughter. That's why I will be teaching my daughter not to judge people by their skin color only. I will teach her not judge a cover by it's book, so to speak. Like I said before, I can't speak for anyone else but myself and I try damn hard to treat people the way I want to be treated. The only times that I demean someone for the race is when they demean me or my family, that's the ONLY time. And yes, some these "adults" are foolish and I don't get it either.

To H. Cole:

And I, too, apologize for slandering ALL white people. You are absolutely right. These posts do not represent all white people anymore than my posts represent for the good or bad, all black people.

It was hard, however, NOT to respond the way harshly after reading some of these posts. Some of the people posting were so callous and cruel and ignorant — and racist, I didn't feel it was appropriate to respond with the milk of human kindness.

What offended me more than anything is the idea that a group of girls 17 to 19 years old deserved no compassion for what was DONE to THEM but all of the concern was reserved for a RICH OLD WHITE MAN who should have known better.

It was the idea that people were PRETENDING that girls like my daughter should be FAIR GAME whenever someone on national TV feels like insulting black girls.

I wish the shoe could be on the other foot for a change, with whites growing up in a society that demeans their skin and hair and features. I wish some of you could feel the anger and pain knowing your child will be judged as not smart enough, or nice enough or attractive enough or WORTHY enough just because they were born white.

I wish you understood how those kinds of experiences
over a lifetime DAMAGES people and DESTROYS their self-esteem.

I do NOT understand for the life of me WHY anyone would defend the PUBLIC HUMILIATION of anyone's child? I do not understand what kind of parents would not be offended that this happened to anyone's child?

It is a scary thought, that this is the morality of so many people in this nation. No wonder our children cannot go outside and be safe, regardless of their race or where they live. There is something WRONG WITH US.

What kind of people take the side of an ADULT doing the wrong thing OVER the welfare of our young people who were doing nothing wrong?

What kind of people are more concerned with their entertainment than being concerned with what is immoral?

There is something WRONG with US when we think demeaning people because of race or religion PUBLICLY on the NATIONAL AIRWAVES is NO BIG DEAL.

Hell, what more can i say? This is truly sad.

good talking to you…

To H. Cole:

One more thing. You wrote: "And I am not going to go into affirmative action either, because I personally just don't believe in it, but that does not make me a racist."

I agree with that. The problem with affirmative action is MOST people do not understand what it is or why it came about.

A good analogy is the child support laws. Had we MEN been willing to do the right thing in the first place — taking care of our children financially regardless of our relationship with their mother — child support laws would have NEVER been necessary.

Affirmative action was NOT created to help unqualified blacks get a job, it was created because white companies and universities refused to do the RIGHT THING and hire based on qualifications.

Black people were routinely and systematically locked out of job opportunities and colleges. Something had to be done. No, it wasn't the best solution. Just like child support laws are far from perfect but something had to be done.

Both of my parents had an college education–INCREDIBLE for blacks during the time period they lived–and they couldn't get most jobs even where the whites lacked a high school education.

And for the general info, affirmative action does not take your tests in college, or write your papers or pass your exams. Affirmative action doesn't get up in the morning and make the drive to work. Once you are there, YOU have to produce.

And let's be real. Don't we all know UNQUALIFIED people at our jobs who are white and of all races? What about the boss's son or daughter who gets a management position walking in the door? What about our Congress and elected officials? Incompetence is NOT a skin color thing, folks.

Also, affirmative action opened doors for white women. The truth is affirmative action benefited white women MORE THAN ANY SINGLE OTHER GROUP, including blacks.

Before AA there were NO white women judges, prosecutors, CEOs, etc. Look it up. Learn your HISTORY.

AA also opened doors for white males in certain occupations. For example, the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) created an AA program called "Upward Mobility" that opened FAA air traffic control and FAA technician jobs to any government workers. The MAJORITY of people who participated in that program were WHITE MALES.

There are hundreds of apprenticeship-style programs that came into being because of affirmative action. YET only black people get blamed for its existence.

Let's stop the nonsense by pretending that the OLD system of hiring people was based on merit. The OLD system gave 99% of all good-paying jobs to white males. What do you call that but a "quota" system for white males? Who honestly believes that only white males were capable of doing most jobs?

There was NEVER a system based entirely on merit. NEVER. What's the old saying?

"It's not WHAT you know, it's WHO you know."

I'd add another line. "It's also WHO YOU ARE."

The bottom line is, NO ONE knows what another person's real qualifications are for any job. If you haven't seen their college transcript or their employment experience or anything that pertains to their "qualifications" you have NO idea who is qualified.

Until, America comes up with a way to be colorblind, I support affirmative action, which is simply opening the door to people who might otherwise be denied an opportunity based on skin color or sex alone.

I do not understand why my name was brought back into this discussion. Someone called me a racist. I am not, because I do not have any power over the destiny of another race. I did not think that Imus should have been fired, because one thing blacks have go to understand. If they don't say it out loud, they say it under their breath, and I would rather have an outward racist, than an inward one, those are the ones that will do you in.

To Wayne:

I read all your posts, and YOU, Wayne, are an example of what the damage white supremacy and racism does to a weak mind. Here are some “gems” from your posts:

“No sucessful black would have gotten anywhere without the help at some point by a white person.”

(Not that Wayne personally knows ANY successful black people or how they got that way but this doesn’t stop ole Wayne from having diarhhea of the mouth)

AND

“God had it right in the beginning, he put a wide ocean between us and the blacks but some democrat had to go screw it up and bring them here by the boat load.”

(Does Wayne really believe the slave traders were “democrats”? Scary dude…)

AND

“…you are not worth what you are paid but that they have to have a certain percentage of blacks to keep the gov. off their ass.”

(Mind you, Wayne said this to a total stranger, a black man whose occupation, background, education, abilities he knows nothing about)

“Did you ever consider that if there had never been slavery the odds are you would be on the serengeti dodging lions or something, you really owe the slavers a big thank you.”

(Typical ignorant arrogance that comes from watching too many Tarzan movies. Little does Wayne know that America wouldn’t be the country it is today without black folks.

Maybe, ole Wayne should put down the crack pipe, or beer bottle or TV remote or whatever he was holding in his hand, and go on line and research black inventors, and scientists and scholars. Research American history and the civil rights movement.

Maybe Wayne would find out that the greatest craftsmen in the south during and after slavery were black men? That right after the slaves were freed, they built businesses that were so successful that whites started shopping there.

The successful freed blacks were so successful, that many whites were so threatened by that they created an ENTIRE legal system called "Jim Crow" to derail black progress.

That there were prosperous black towns in places like Oklahoma where the blacks were killed and burned out of their businesses and homes because they became too successful. Ever heard of "Black Wall Street", ole Wayne, the history buff?

here's a link:

http://www.durhamnc.gov/depart.....istory.cfm

In Oklahoma City, the newest museum (can't think of the name) has a full exhibit about Black Wall Street.

Did you know black men helped to build the White House. Did you know that slaves worked for FOUR HUNDRED YEARS for FREE and were promised 40 acres and a mule which my ancestors nor their descendants EVER received? Any idea, Wayne, how valuable those 40 acres would be in today's dollars?

Try to imagine owning a company that employed MILLIONS of people, worked them sun up to sun down for 400 years and PAID THEM NOTHING. Never got a vacation, a bonus, a paycheck, nothing. How wealthy would your company (nation) be after 400 years, Wayne?

Also, Wayne, the white people who came to America, would not have survived had the Indians not taught them how. These “settlers” were the scum England emptied out of their insane asylums and prisons. Now, we call them “blue-bloods” and “American royalty”. lol

Check out YOUR history, Wayne, if you dare. They were criminals, murderers, mentally insane, robbers, thieves, and pirates.

Did you know black men fought in EVERY SINGLE WAR America has ever fought, starting with the REVOLUTIONARY WAR and up to the IRAQ WAR and we're still fighting a war at home with racist people like YOURSELF?

Oh yeah—regarding welfare: 87% of the women on WELFARE are WHITE.

Oh yeah—speaking of productivity:

More American companies are going OUTSIDE the U.S. to get “productive” workers, instead of hiring (white) people like yourself. Whatcha think about that? Does it sound "fair" to you? No? What does that "unfairness" taste like, huh, Wayne?

How does it feel when Pres Bush and Corporate America say, "these jobs “Americans refuse to do.”

Wonder if America is in this weak position because we've mistreated so many other people and NOW it's YOUR turn? Makes a black man go hmm…..

Next time, check your facts FIRST, Wayne ole buddy.

There are THREE points I believe some of us (including myself) are missing:

ONE, this was about the very PUBLIC RACIAL HUMILIATION of eight innocent girls.

TWO, this whole thing is a diversion. While YOU and i are banging the pots about this issue, the war goes on, more troops are dying and the price of gas in many places is $3 a gallon — in the beginning of April.

THREE, rather than standing together as working Americans, black, white, brown, red & yellow, we are sniping and fighting each other every time the media plays the Pavlov dog tune. We are SO easily manipulated, so QUICK to turn on each other like rapid dogs. I admit, I'm guilty of doing the same damn thing.

And while we are fighting, our JOBS are disappearing, our young men and women are dying in an unnecessary war, the cost of living is climbing,