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The Dead Monkey Cartoon Isn't Racist

We're surprised it took so long. The Reverend Al Sharpton, displaying an uncharacteristic reservedness, waited literally hours yesterday before releasing his statement of shock and outrage in regard to Sean Delonas and the New York Post's "racist" dead monkey cartoon. It's common knowledge we think Al Sharpton is usually wrong, and today it's no different.

It's not that we can't at all understand Sharpton's anger (hell, even WE were upset yesterday), we just think the political climate right now has people feeling a bit overly sensitive and irrational. Yeah, cops standing over a dead monkey while talking about Obama's stimulus package looks insane at first glance, but think deeper for a second.

For starters, one day before Obama signed the stimulus bill into law, police shot and killed a rampaging chimpanzee that had attacked a woman. It was an insane story that got lots of national press coverage due to its inherent sensationalism. Twenty-four hours later, the stimulus package, which CONGRESSIONAL STAFFERS, not Barack Obama, wrote, was passed, despite being considered by conservatives to be a wildly overreaching and expensive piece of legislation, something an insane person (or wild animal) might draft. From there, you're just a piece of paper and some ink away from yesterday's fiasco.

Was the Post cartoon poorly executed? Sure. It probably should have said "Congress" somewhere on the monkey carcass, and maybe it shouldn't have been published at all due to the hair-trigger response people have when it comes to ape imagery and blacks (see the LeBron James Vogue cover). But really all it was doing was combining two big news stories into one dumb editorial cartoon. Save your outrage for the many, many times the Post and Delonas will actually screw up.

Comments (143)
No. 1 · Deliah

Finally! a sane,mature response from Jossip. Might you be growing up?

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 11:12 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 2 · tony the tiger

Jossip is really showing its true colors this past week.

First Jossip claimed we were all hypocritical to be upset that Chris Brown beat Rihanna because we don't support women in general…as if that justified a man beating a woman. Jossip's attemps to rationalize the beating or make it something bigger than simple domestic abuse was appalling.

Now Jossip is backing Sean Delonas who has a long history of racist, homophobic and misogynist cartoons.

Isn't Jossip run by a gay guy? Why all the self hate? He must be the only gay man in America backing Delonas whose cartoons mostly attack gays.

I read on Gawker that Jossip is nearly broke and is closing down most of its sites. No surprise.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 11:21 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 3 · BallysVegas.net

I don't get it…

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 11:31 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 4 · tony the tiger

The person who posted this article doesn't understand how Sean Delonas operates:

Sean Delonas absolutely knew that a lot of people would infer that the Chimpanzee was intended to represent Obama but that there would be enough ambiguity (that it could also represent Congress) to get away with it.

But Delonas' filthy attacks on gays, blacks in general, middle easterners (both arabs and jews) who he portrays with huge noses and covered in hair (like the german cartoons of jews in natzi germany) are much more direct.

Delonas himself is a really physically ugly arrogant stupid man.

With regard to this cartoon in particular, how can the attack by the chimp who ripped off a woman's face and mutilated her, resulting in the chimp's own death, be a basis for a cartoon? The fact the New York Post used the brutal mutilation of the woman as the basis for a cartoon is filthy in itself.

But equally filthy is Jossip's attempts to protect the cartoon. Why did Jossip find it so important to defend the cartoon?

DOES JOSSIP FIND THE BRUTAL MUTILATION OF THAT WOMAN BY THE CHIMP TO BE REASONABLE GROUNDS FOR HUMOR?

Seeing as Jossip had no respect for Rihanna not surprised they find the brutal attack on this other woman a source of humor.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 11:51 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 5 · katrina

Tony the Tiger is right. What is the point of defending the guy who created this cartoon? What is this post doing on Jossip anyway? You need to consider this cartoon in the context of this guy's other cartoons.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 12:00 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 6 · cord

@ Tony the Tiger

Ah yes, Delonas is well known for his "ambiguity," perhaps best exemplified here:

http://www.queerty.com/wp/docs.....trosie.jpg

and here:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets.....lonas7.jpg

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 12:01 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 7 · tony the tiger

@cord:

that was kind of my point though: he usually is blatantly homophobic and racist and misogynistic.

in the particular instance of the chimp cartoon he was relying on the ambiguity to get away with equating the chimp with obama

the person who posted this article for jossip was stupid enough to fall for it but you and me and Katrina saw right through it

i have to agree with katrina what is this doing on jossip anyway

this is above jossip's heads they need to focus on the fluffy stuff they can understand

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 12:20 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 8 · anon

cord, you know I love you, but I think you may have misinterpreted Tony's post.

he was saying that in THIS cartoon, Delonas was relying on the ambiguity, but usually he's very direct about his stereotyping.

unless you were agreeing with him in a sarcastic way, in which case…Sorry!

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 12:21 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 9 · tony the tiger

@anon: your grrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 12:23 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 10 · anon

tony, that made me smile…thanks!

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 12:38 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 11 · tony the tiger

@anon: ]]

DE NADA.

I expect the editors of Jossip to do the right thing and publish an apology to all of us for defending this cartoon.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 1:19 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 12 · Nate

This post is unbelievable. Jossip has GOT to be joking! How is it possible that the cartoon could be interpreted as anything OTHER than racist? Anyone who knows the history of racist attacks against blacks in this country would immediately see EXACTLY what Delonas was implying. The President is the person most closely associated with the Stimulus Package and for Delonas to choose to tie the rampaging monkey in with that is a blatantly obvious attempt to take a swipe our African American president - and the fact that he had the gall to try to make the people who were offended out to be too "sensitive" is completely despicable. There is NO justification for running a cartoon like this.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 1:29 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 13 · weezy

The cartoon caption referring to "someone else" not "another group" makes me think the cartoonist knew we would all think of Obama and not Congressional Staffers. He got his 15 minutes of fame. Why would a violent cartoon of such a violent event ever be funny? Maybe he could tackle Chris Brown and Rhianna next…

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 1:34 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 14 · Trey

I gotta agree with a lot of the comments above. I'm at a loss to why you feel the need to excuse the cartoon, and disregard anyone's outrage.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 1:40 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 15 · Alex Michael

Let's assume it wasn't racist. Even then it's implicit approval for violence against politicians you disagree with. A disturbing trend since Obama's election (and of course during the election itself). Why is the Post defending this cartoon and the "artist?" Because they want to be known for this kind of thing.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 2:51 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 16 · spottsy

Not to keep shootin the dead monkey (heh), but I agree with everyone that has posted and I don't even know the history of the cartoonist. You'd have to live under a rock to not realize the racism in the cartoon. Maybe one could argue that they are so colorblind and ignorant about stereotypes that they are able to take away just the explanation of the monkey = congress and we should all strive to be that way, but it isn't reality and I'm sure that isn't the case for whoever drew the cartoon. This wasn't, I hope, an attempt to refute accusations made by a certain commenter over at Queerty in response to "the token straight guy" post…because really it isn't necessary. That dude was cuh-razy.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 3:02 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 17 · fregger

Oh right, or on the other had, it would have been OK if they had published the cartoon together with your very clear apology. Fact is, they didn't, and frankly Obamam was the first person I thought about when I saw it, maybe due to deepseated racist thiniing — but to my credit there is a long history of depicting people of color in disparaging ways in this country, it wasn't much of a stretch to interpret it like that. It is ambiguous enough and potentially offensive enough to as to raise the cackles on any good editor, and should never have been published. But hey, we are taliking about the New York Post here. I never thought badly of them before, but in this case their stonewalling makes them look ridiculous. Better to just apologize and be done with it.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 3:32 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 18 · thembi

Are you serious with this defense? Everyone already knows the attack could have been more blatant on the part of the cartoonist, but there is no questioning the journalistic integrity of the Post? But you questioned the LAT integrity when they named Rihanna as the obvious victim of the Chris Brown attacks? The Post CLEARLY screwed up, and continues to do so. To apologize and defend these hyper-male, antagonistic viewpoints so consistently, is that how Jossip is?

This is making me miss Stereohyped. A lot.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 3:59 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 19 · tony the tiger

I'm still waiting for Jossip to post a written apology for defending the filthy racist author of this cartoon.

Judging from the response the post has elicited from so many others it is clear to me that others are also waiting for an apology.

(For every one of us who took the time to post a comment there must be ten or twenty or a hundred others who feel the same way.)

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 3:59 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 20 · cheekemunkey

The chimp (may he RIP) was raised as a human and reacted to a perceived threat (? we don't know) as expected from a normal, wild animal.

Drawing a parady to Obama is racist. I thought change had come to America - maybe not yet :(

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 4:05 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 21 · fanofgrendel

Jeez…you guys cry racist at the drop of a hat. No wonder Holden said we were cowards to talk about race. Cowards aren't stupid. They can live to fight another day.

People that should really be insulted are ones that could be mistaken for the chimp:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?.....rugman.jpg

last one won a Nobel prize in feces throwing.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 4:12 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 22 · fanofgrendel

and here he is:

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 4:12 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 23 · spottsy

@tony the tiger:

I, personally, don't need an apology. I do think that it would be interesting to read a follow up response to our comments, however. What was it that made the light bulb go off in the Jossip office and helped everyone realize it isn't racism, just a misunderstanding?

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 4:14 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 24 · Katie Kazmarack

Not only did Jossip defend the Post, they sent their token negro to do it. Way to go Jossip. Since the black guy says its not racist, I guess it's not racist. After all, he is the black guy.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 4:43 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 25 · fanofgrendel

@Katie Kazmarack: calling someone a token negro is demeaning to him and borderline racist.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 4:54 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 26 · tony the tiger

I could hack Jossip's server and shut it down for at least a week if that would make everyone feel better. I could also ban the IP addresses of everyone at Jossip from posting articles to their own site which would effectively wipe out the site for good. But I'll wait for the response to all of the above instead.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 5:01 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 27 · fanofgrendel

@tony the tiger: Be careful TONY THE TERRORIST … now moonlighting for Jossip is:

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 5:30 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 28 · tony the tiger

@fanofgrendel:

I've seen that guy (in the photo) working out at the Equinox on Greenwich Avenue in Greenwich Village. His name is Kiefer (sp?) Sutherland right? He seems to always be trying to hit on the guys in the locker room. He also seems like he may have an alcohol problem. Seems pretty beaten up a lot. Haven't seem him around in a few weeks. Is he gay or married or both?

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 5:37 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 29 · Rhonda

"A government that is strong enough to give you everything you want is a government strong enough to take everything you have"

Alexander Hamilton

and if people don't agree with your point of view, call them racist.

Question: can anything be said about Obama, without being considered racist?

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 5:56 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 30 · fanofgrendel

@tony the tiger: Of course you know him. I believe this is you getting ready to give him his exam:

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 5:58 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 31 · fanofgrendel

@Rhonda: nope. He has 52 of 'em in his deck.

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 5:59 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 32 · Bonny

Well put.

As to those who would draw a connection to his past work to claim racial bias in this picture, his history really has no bearing on whether the content itself is racist or not, the content has to be assessed on its own merits.

This cartoon, even if the guy was intentionally trying to refer to Obama, does not make that connection. Obama never wrote the bill, the writer of the bill is the someone being referred to. Now if the chimp had an Obama name tag, maybe you'd have some sort of valid claim.

My interpretation is that they are saying the bill was written by a bunch of raging out of control monkeys (an obvious reference to recent news and a jab at the writer's intelligence).

Posted: Feb 19, 2009 at 10:41 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 33 · maddej

so did you hear about that monkey that tried to eat that woman?? crazy shit right, ,much more interesting than that stimulus package bull..oh and Al sharptons my uncle (cause you know we're all related) and HE said he was just playing.. kinda of like that episode of the boondocks with anne coulter and rollo jenkins.. yah uncle al he so crazy….

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 12:14 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 34 · getreal

@Rhonda: Rhonda someone who feels the need to posts on a daily basis that they are not a racist clearly has some racial hang-ups. If you can't ever posts anything new maybe you should move on. You never offer any intelligent political ideas you seem to have no platform whatsoever. You only seem able to cryptically post that you "feel" he is bad. Why not debate the issues? Are your political views indefensible or non-existent? Instead of playing the martyr or childish insults why not share your views. That is if you are here to inform not merely to incite and insult.

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 2:07 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 35 · tnwoman

When did America become so crass? People will sell their souls to make a buck. This guy who created this cartoon, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Keith Obermann, Rupert Murdoch, etc. are all media whores. God help us all.

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 9:23 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 36 · fanofgrendel

Though to me the cartoon has nothing to do with Obama, but just his monkey-business stimulus package, Obama supports have jumped on their outrage boxes showing themselves for the zealots they really are. Some have threatened the cartoonist. For those who enjoy working yourself up in a lather, here is a two for one sale:

and for those offended, let me aid you with your discomfort:

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 9:35 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 37 · Rhonda

getreal,

talk about calling thr kettle black (uh, oh, racist remark)your here every day to answer my remarks. Why don't you read my post and tell me what is racist.

"a government strong enough to give you everything you want is a government strong enough to take everything you have"

Alexander Hamilton

Now, if you are saying that its racist comment, then maybe you had better look in the mirror. If you are feel this is a racist comment then you must feel that the "takers" are all black. That would hardly be the truth and I don't feel that way at all.

my next comment : if you don't agree call them racist. That seems the main answer to Everthing Obama. You don't agree with Obama i.e. YOU then I'm a racist.

Question: can anything be said about Obama that isn't considered racist?

The answer is no!

I'll be in Chicago in July for the Chicago Tea Party, meet you there. By the way a bunch of Dems are throwing the party but this conservative girl is proud and happy to join them.

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 10:48 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 38 · getreal

@Rhonda: @Rhonda: talk about calling thr kettle black (uh, oh, racist remark)- clearly that is not a racist remark you just seem to be obsessed with the word.I do answer your posts and always try to be respectful perhaps you should try it? Oh and you know you don't have to mention race EVERY time you mention Obama's name maybe that has something to do with the fact that people on this site call you a racist. In all the posts discussing George bush I never once mentioned his race because 1. it is totally unimportant to me. 2.I don't feel it has anything to do with his policies or his fitness as a president. The fact that are unable to discuss our president based on issues but always harp on his race tell me that you feel exactly the opposite of me on 1. and 2.

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 11:14 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 39 · Kassikas

The cartoon doesn't link Obama and the chimp. The cartoon links the writers of the stimulus package. There is nothing in the cartoon that links any individual to the dead chimp, just a large amorphous group of individuals Obama isn't even a part of. That means the link between Obama and the dead chimp is forged in the minds of the individual reader.

So if you look at the dead chimp and automatically think ???Thats Obama!??? it isn't the cartoonist's racism you should be questioning.

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 11:14 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 40 · ed from ga

@getreal:

Conservative twits like Rhonda aren't much good when it comes to logic and critical thinking; they just say stuff. They're fighting hard against their fading into irrelevance, and they're losing. She's a troll who shouldn't be fed.

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 12:31 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 41 · fanofgrendel

@ed from ga: bite me.

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 12:59 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 42 · tnwoman

This is boring.

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 1:58 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 43 · victor hanson

@Deliah:

This is only racist if you automatically beleive that there is a similarlity between BLACKS and MONKEYS/APES..

WHO IS THE RACIST?.. the person who drew a cartoon about current events, and never thought to even consider that some blacks and liberal whites DO feel a monkey/ape is similar or close to a black person,
or THE BLACK /LIBERAL WHITE, who automatically thinks "african-american" when they see a cartoon image of a monkey?..

This matter is instructive of where the real racialist tendencies and more importantly, hysteria, lay in current times..
the sad fact is even these outraged liberal whites / sharpton, KNOW that the ONLY WAY this matter is an issue, is due to folks like them who see a picture of a 'monkey' and automatically mentally equate that, in their won minds, to 'african-american'…VERY INSTRUCTIVE, very fraudian

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 2:38 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 44 · zzz

What a bunch of oversensitive assclowns, it seems to me that most of you WANT to be offended by this so you can feel important. I found this site like 10 minutes ago and have seen nothing but crying in the comments. get over yourselves. nobody I know acts like this in the real world, no one is offended by this shit, its a damn cartoon that some moron drew. waahhhh. America is becoming a wasteland of oversensitive children that focus on all the wrong things and its all thanks to the internet giving you the ability to type out your silly opinions that even you don't really believe in. Grow a pair and move on.

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 2:53 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 45 · buddy

zzz you got it bub. It only takes a little bit of imagination to turn an image of something harmless in to a stabbing racist scandal. America is a cultural mine field and the casualty is good judgment.

Posted: Feb 20, 2009 at 4:17 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 46 · jossipsucks

yeah cant believe jossip would defend this post but then again they tryin to sell and get out so maybe he tryin to drum up more traffic so he can sell.

Posted: Feb 21, 2009 at 3:39 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 47 · sweetsecret

as an artist you know that when your work is on display it will be criticized…you know that it will have both positive and negative commentary

the artist who created this image knew all the varying criticisms it was going to have before he/she drew it…the post is renowned for causing a stir and they knew that this would do just that…

bravo to them for selling their paper without ethics…gil-llyyy?
http://www.hulu.com/watch/5346.....live-gilly

Posted: Feb 21, 2009 at 2:45 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 48 · american dreamer

HERE IS ONE VERY IMPORTANT POINT EVERY ONE IS FORGETTING THAT SOME PROFESSORS AT UNIVERSITIES HAVE NOTED:

the BEWARE OF DOG sign in the cartoon of the chimp being shot by the police is Delonas' little joke to himself that he really meant Obama: dogs were used in the deep south to control blacks under jim crowe laws; that is why he included the "Beware of Dogs" sign; there is no other explanation; Delonas meant this to be Obama

Posted: Feb 21, 2009 at 6:36 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 49 · Rhonda

American Dreamer,

Have you or the professors been to the "hood" lately? Delonas is a political cartoonist. Maybe he meant that "generational theft bill" was written by an "out of its mind, simpleton" who thinks if you "throw" money at a problem, it will magically fix itself. The joke is on YOU, if you look at a cartoon of a monkey and see Obama, who is the racist?

Posted: Feb 22, 2009 at 3:54 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 50 · ncarbide

Aaaand I'm never reading Jossip again.

It'll save me 3 to 5 minutes a week!

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 10:56 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 51 · Saint Brian the Godless

If anybody thinks that this cartoon somehow isn't racist, if they can honestly say to themselves that it's not a direct and painfully overt reference to Obama, not even thinly veiled but totally "in your face," then that person is themselves a racist. Period, end of subject, next case.

You republicans are real pieces of work.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:16 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 52 · Saint Brian the Godless

Oh, and MORONS, stop talking about the "beware of dog" sign. Didn't any one of you rocket scientists NOTICE that that EXACT SIGN was in the actual news photos of the CHIMP ATTACK? It was right there next to the chimp trying to get into the car… A sign just like that one. So, yes, the cartoon's OBVIOUSLY racist, but not THAT PART. The sign was just a depiction of the actual sdcene of the chimp attack.
Don't be like the republicans and make shit up to make your points seem more valid. That's their way, not ours.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:20 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 53 · Saint Brian the Godless

Here's a pic of the scene of the attack… Note the small sign with red letters on the tree. "Beware of Dog"

http://media.komonews.com/imag.....attack.jpg

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:25 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 54 · Saint Brian the Godless

Maybe MORONS was a bit strong there, sorry. But please, check things that people say before repeating them… Please?

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:26 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 55 · fanofgrendel

@Saint Brian the Godless: Who made you the judge, atheist prick.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:28 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 56 · Saint Brian the Godless

Having killed a chimp and then wondering who will write the next stimulus bill is identical with just coming out and calling Obama a chimp. They may as well have just said it. It's not in question, it's not in some "gray area," it's obvious racism. In fact, that's almost too weak a word for it. It's hatred, pure and simple. It's old style southern racial hatred.

It's one of those hateful bigoted small-minded shallow racist jokes, usually involving death, that the right wing loves so dearly. The people that think that this somehow ISN'T racist are the same people that wear white sheets on weekend outings and pray to Jesus that we "kill 'em all off" and reclaim the country for God.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:35 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 57 · Saint Brian the Godless

Who made you the judge, atheist prick.
——————————–
Ahh, judge not lest ye be a hypochristian asshat.

:-)

My atheist prick is far larger than your Christian cocktail frank. Ask your seester….

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:38 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 58 · Saint Brian the Godless

And if you're asking who made me the judge of whether this cartoon is racist or not, my basic education in the english language is, alas, responsible for that. In other words, unlike you apparently, I can read…

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:39 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 59 · fanofgrendel

@Saint Brian the Godless: I must have hit a nerve. I am proud of you for getting your GED, but being able to read, while necessary, is not sufficient to be our judge.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:45 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 60 · Saint Brian the Godless

Oh, and by the way, I like Christ just fine. Jesus was more than just allright by me. It's the hypocritical false christians, the modern-day pharisees, that I really can't stand. And they're in the majority lately.

How the conservative christians ever got to where they are today from "love thy neighbor" is almost beyond me.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:45 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 61 · Saint Brian the Godless

I must have hit a nerve. I am proud of you for getting your GED, but being able to read, while necessary, is not sufficient to be our judge.
——————
Ahh, but in your particular case, it's actually overkill. I could have judged you accurately when I was seven. You're pretty simple.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:46 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 62 · Saint Brian the Godless

but being able to read, while necessary, is not sufficient to be our judge.
———————
Being able to read is all that is required to judge someone else's lack of said ability. In fact, it is precisely what is required in that scenario.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:49 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 63 · Saint Brian the Godless

I must have hit a nerve.
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Don't insert the zuchinni all the way next time.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 7:53 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 64 · Saint Brian the Godless

Let me approach this from the other side…

So, what you're honestly telling me here is, you really think the cartoon isn't racist, right?

How do you figure that?

I've heard the arguments, and they are an insult to my intelligence, but not as much as they are an insult to the intellects of the people that issued them.

Surprise me. Tell me how it's not racist. And be credible.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 8:00 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 65 · fanofgrendel

@Saint Brian the Godless: Boy do you rattle on. Just because a monkey is used to criticize a president for doing something dumb does not make it racist. I assume in additon to your fine reading skills, you also can recognize pictures? Well, here's a few:



Are these racist?

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 8:25 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 66 · Saint Brian the Godless

I'll tell you how to tell that it refers to Obama.

Because, THAT'S THE JOKE.

As in, while it certainly isn't funny to me, if you analyze the "joke" here, the humor device in the joke, that trigger, the part of it that is specifically designed to provoke laughter and surprise, is the analogy of a dead chimp to the black president. To a normal person, notning about the joke is funny, but to a right-wingnut low IQer, the obvious punch line is that the president is being likened to a chimp. A dead chimp, recently shot, by the way, which adds the I think obvious spectre of assasination to the racial prejudice here.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 8:47 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 67 · fanofgrendel

@Saint Brian the Godless: you babble on like a crazy person, Dr. IQ.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 9:19 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 68 · Saint Brian the Godless

Dr. IQ??? Really? That's how you see me? I'm pretty dumb, as atheists go. Perhaps you're comparing me to the wrong group?

So you're the typical arrogant antiintellectual juvenile bozo that makes fun of anything that you don't understand or sounds too wordy or complicated. Bet you can't breathe with your mouth closed. Try it… See?

Good job. Love the face. It's so, well, it's so *you.*

Like Mr. Clean on shrooms.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 9:31 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 69 · Saint Brian the Godless

So you backed Grendel, huh?

I had my money on Beowulf…

Guess I am pretty smart after all.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 9:34 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 70 · Saint Brian the Godless

Ya know, I have to wonder, where do you guys come from?

I mean, you see a story with the ridiculous headline "The Dead Monkey Cartoon Isn't Racist" and you all congregate like flies around a ripe cow pie to actually DEFEND the indefensible.

It's like, you're the honor guard of ignorance. When ignorance needs to make a point, it sends you out there to do it.

How do you look in the mirror to shave?

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 9:46 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 71 · Saint Brian the Godless

By the way, isn't it a lot worse to be a Christian prick than an atheist prick? Seeing as how your team brags about not being pricks and all…

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 9:53 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 72 · Saint Brian the Godless

The joke is on YOU, if you look at a cartoon of a monkey and see Obama, who is the racist?
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If you look at it and you don't see the racism, who is the moron? Because it's in our culture, this particular racism, the likening of blacks to simians. It takes a moron, or a liar, to not admit that. Which one are you? I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and giving you the "moron" instead of the "liar" but I could be wrong, of course.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 10:03 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 73 · buddy

@St Brian

I can ride the fence on the cartoon being racist, really. My initial reaction was that of indifference because these things can be interpreted in whatever manor suits the eyes of the beholder. Hence, a right wing, educated black protestant with no racist tendencies might very well see the chimp as a humorous analogy between the so-called simple minded self-seeking politicians who eagerly drafted the bill instead of an allusion to a couple of white cops blasting Obama with a 9 mil. Then again, a collectively loose, over-educated young white staunch liberal might see the whole thing as a plot to infest the mainstream media with racist propaganda. Too many variables and combinations to list. I do disagree with you on one point of your argument about conservative Christians. The term "conservative Christians" can be replaced with a number of political and variances of Christian religious sects throughout history, namely the Catholics of the Inquisition. "Hypocritical false Christians" have existed since Christianity came about. The only difference between these guys and their historically equivalent brethren are Tim Lehaye and a fervent interpretation of Revelations.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 10:04 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 74 · Saint Brian the Godless

Hence, a right wing, educated black protestant with no racist tendencies might very well see the chimp as a humorous analogy between the so-called simple minded self-seeking politicians who eagerly drafted the bill instead of an allusion to a couple of white cops blasting Obama with a 9 mil.
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Not unless he was towing the party line on it. It's not logical. There's only one monkey dead. One. So it isn't a symbol for more than one person. It's not a symbol for "politicians." And a monkey is in our culture's past a very, very common epithet for a black person.

The only way that you don't see it as racist, regardless of whether you're white, black, or fuschia, is if you have an agenda that requires that you do not admit to the fact, OR if you're a racist yourself, which in this case is pretty much the same thing.

I'm having a lot of trouble BUYING that you don't see the obvious here. My bullshit meter it going off big time.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 10:27 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 75 · Saint Brian the Godless

I just want you guys to know that you're really pathetic…

The ones that claim that the chimp is a reference to "politicians" or to congress or to Pelosi and Reed, or just to Pelosi…

It's PATHETIC. You're not fooling anyone here. You're SOILING yourselves publically.

Why not just admit that you hate that fu!%ing ni&&er president and at least be honest with yourselves? It's not like we don't know it already, so just admit it. Cleanse your putrid souls.

After all, cleanliness is next to Godliness.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 10:47 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 76 · buddy

To be fair, yes , your bullshit meter should be going off. I see both sides and all I wanted was to prove that there is a logical explanation IF that is what is the chosen belief. I look for the exception to the obvious and I believe that unless an opinion maker integrates the possibility that there is a more to a situation than what is seen at first glance, then that person's opinion is valid yet unfounded.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 10:48 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 77 · buddy

Since you are going to go for my throat sir, then I will tell you what I really think. My opinion of a pitiful little political cartoon in NO WAY validates your claim that I hate that "fu!%ing ni&&er". You yourself are a self-loathing mud slinging fire starter that will go to unacceptable depths to anger your opponent in to falling in to a rhetorical trap so you may then prove your point without having to argue in a sensible manor. You give bloggers a bad name. I thought I detected a hint of reason in your prose but it is all BULLSHIT! Go provoke a pair of white cops by acting like the fool you are and maybe you can end up next to the poor creature in the cartoon.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 10:58 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 78 · Saint Brian the Godless

When I looked for the exception to the obvious, all I found was people with agendas attempting to twist the truth so not to be embarassed. Even the ones that say that it's not racist, know in their hearts that it is. No, in this case, the obvious is true. Hey, it happens.

It is as obvious as if the cartoon referenced a "dead 'coon" and showed a raccoon with bullet holes instead of a chimp. More obvious, even.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:02 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 79 · Saint Brian the Godless

Go provoke a pair of white cops by acting like the fool you are and maybe you can end up next to the poor creature in the cartoon.
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Nice. True colors revealed. Easily provoked, you are as easily revealed for what you are. Your kind loves the schadenfreude of your enemies being destroyed by "authority" whether your bigoted police or your bigoted God.

You hope to get to heaven so that you can revel in the sufferings of those that didn't make it.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:06 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 80 · Saint Brian the Godless

You yourself are a self-loathing mud slinging fire starter that will go to unacceptable depths to anger your opponent in to falling in to a rhetorical trap so you may then prove your point without having to argue in a sensible manor.
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I absolutely deny that I am a Christian Apologist, and I resent your implication here.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:08 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 81 · Saint Brian the Godless

And I never argue in a sensible manor. I prefer a modest townhouse.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:16 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 82 · buddy

I have a bullshit meter just like you. Testing the waters with some unwarranted provocation is a good thing in my opinion but you have made it your modus operandi, at least in these postings. My faith in God shouldn't be approached like you have gone about it because, to tell you the truth, I fear being sent to hell much more than I "revel in the sufferings of those that didn't make it". If I have given you the wrong impression of my Christian values, please accept my apology. I am only human.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:24 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 83 · fanofgrendel

@Saint Brian the Godless: you really don't argue. You just jabber …a lot …full of sound and fury …signifying nothing. Kind of like, oh I don't know, maybe a chimp.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:26 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 84 · Saint Brian the Godless

My opinion of a pitiful little political cartoon in NO WAY validates your claim that I hate that "fu!%ing ni&&er".
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Don't like it when it's put into graphic terms, huh? I'm not surprised.

It's a racist cartoon. Even if in your opinion is that it isn't one, doesn't the fact that the vast majority of blacks think it is a racist cartoon at all influence you in this? If it doesn't offend YOU, that doesn't mean that it isn't overtly racist. Even if you happen to be black, whic I seriously doubt.

No empathy, huh? Oh well, a common proboem among the Christian right. Ironically enough.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:27 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 85 · Saint Brian the Godless

You just jabber ???a lot ???full of sound and fury ???signifying nothing. Kind of like, oh I don't know, maybe a chimp.
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Wow. You've really stung me here. I'm on the ropes. My knees are buckling…

What a cognitave dissonance. You quote Macbeth and then liken me to a chimp. Intellect and idiocy, side-by-side. My head is spinning.

How DO you do it???

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:30 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 86 · Saint Brian the Godless

Kind of like, oh I don't know, maybe a chimp.
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I bet you voted for the last chimp. Don't know how I know. Maybe I'm psychic.

And incidentally, calling GWB a chimp isn't racist. It's just accurate.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:34 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 87 · Saint Brian the Godless

I have a bullshit meter just like you. Testing the waters with some unwarranted provocation is a good thing in my opinion but you have made it your modus operandi, at least in these postings. My faith in God shouldn't be approached like you have gone about it because, to tell you the truth, I fear being sent to hell much more than I "revel in the sufferings of those that didn't make it". If I have given you the wrong impression of my Christian values, please accept my apology. I am only human.
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Ahh, dammit, now you've gone and done it. Shit.

You went and had to be nice to me.

It never occurs to most Christians that, with me at any rate, that's all you have to do. Most of you don't even even give me the time of day, seeing as how I'm so GODLESS and all.

I'm confrontational HERE because I really object to the title of the post, and thus to anyoe that agrees with it.

To me, honestly, as I see it, it's actually hateful to be of the opinion that it's not racist, just as it hopefully would be to you if the cartoon was about the wonders of Nazism, that to think of it in any positive way was reprehensible. It SCREAMS of racism. It's not in any way subtle.

If you are a Christian that actually follows Christ, then I would call you brother, even though as stated in the name, I am myself, Godless. I would do so because I believe in love. No, I should say that I believe in Love. (Note caps)

But if you are such a Christian, and not one in name only like so many, then I have to ask myself, WHY would you see this cartoon as anything other than a racist peice of trash that can only promote hatred and divisiveness?

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:44 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 88 · fanofgrendel

@Saint Brian the Godless: I don't think anyone is reading you anymore asshole. I know I'm not. Just saw you typed a whole bunch of crap above. Yawn.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:48 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 89 · Saint Brian the Godless

Incidentally, if you wish to have a more accurate impression of me as a person, other than what I express here in this limited forum, just click on my name.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:49 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 90 · Saint Brian the Godless

I don't think anyone is reading you anymore asshole. I know I'm not. Just saw you typed a whole bunch of crap above. Yawn.
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I absolutely love you.

You're cute, like a little baby fly.

Posted: Feb 23, 2009 at 11:52 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 91 · Saint Brian the Godless

to tell you the truth, I fear being sent to hell much more than I "revel in the sufferings of those that didn't make it".
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Hell is a myth to keep you scared, and thus pliable.

Concentrate on the Love parts and not the Fear parts. That's the key.

But what do I know? Me being Godless and all? What a heathen I turned out to be…

Still, someone has to be the Patron Saint of Godlessness.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 12:00 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 92 · Saint Brian the Godless

I don't think anyone is reading you anymore asshole. I know I'm not.
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How are you understanding me then? The Vulcan mind-meld?

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 12:05 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 93 · buddy

Well, again, let me be honest with you. It is my shortcoming for not being up-front and honest like I should have been in the first place. Blogging over volatile issues can sometimes go awry and I notice that in the majority of the posts I encounter. My initiative to enter this post was to find someone who took the obvious and somewhat blew it out of proportion. I can see both sides of the argument but I do believe that the monkey is a dead ringer for a racist stab. The artist, if trying to make a joke, should have known better than to use a chimp in reference to the author(s) of the bill (who's alpha is inarguably one of the most racially speculated figures in recent history). Any political cartoonist who has the balls to put this out there should at least be one that has not been implicated in racially motivated issues in the past (and this one is not). Good sense says he did it and he's as guilty as he can be. If he had to face a trial over this, he would need the Johny Cochrane lineup to have a chance. As for the Love thing, that is what it's all about brother. Christ spoke of love and forgiveness and that's what makes the world go 'round. I have respect for anyone that acknowledges the fact that love is the driving force behind life. We may all have different ways of showing it and receiving it, but as long as we know it's there, that's what's important.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 12:06 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 94 · Saint Brian the Godless

Hey, how did I end up liking you?

You need to teach other Chistians this stuff, brother.

I was brought up a Christian, and it's really only the religion that I've left. Oh, I have my doubts about it all, except for the message of love and acceptance. That part is real. Sure, Jesus might have been a copycat and all, what with Mithras and Tammuz and other Gods before Him already saying all that great stuff… (Look up thelife of Horus simetimes for parallels!!!) but it's the message that counts. The path of love is the NARROW, DIFFICULT path. Naturally, because it's the hardest path, most people, even those that pledge to follow it with all their hearts, are unable to. Alas, they are sadly unaware of that fact, and think very highly of themselves for being so very good indeed.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 12:13 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 95 · Saint Brian the Godless

I was brought up a Christian, and it's really only the religion that I've left.
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That wasn't clear. I mean that I left the religion behind, and all the belief really, but I still see the benefit of Christ and I can't deny that He's an excellent role-model, even for me. Unfortunately I don't see many Christians around worthy of the name. Present company excepted perhaps. :-)

I am Godless in that I do not believe in any *theos,* any anthropomorphic God, especially not in the (to me) amusingly quaint idea of the bronze-age tribal god Yaweh being the One True God. It's preposterous to me.

I sense directly the spiritual side of things, so I am perhaps not technically an atheist, but I do call myself one to avoid confusion. I sense that there's more to this place than what's right there on the surface. I just don't see it as a God in the sense that people tend to think of Gods. It's complicated…

So it is perhaps calid to call me a spiritual atheist. Hence my name.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 12:28 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 96 · Saint Brian the Godless

Uh, VALID, not calid. Jeeze.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 12:28 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 97 · Trey

I think Jay Smooth has the best commentary on the whole situation:

http://www.illdoctrine.com/200.....rolls.html

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 12:29 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 98 · Saint Brian the Godless

Christ spoke of love and forgiveness and that's what makes the world go 'round.
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Agreed, however…

It seems to me that those that aren't loving are often the very ones that are convinced that they're the most loving. That those that are very judgemental are the very ones that are convinced that they are not judgemental. Those that are egotistical are the very ones that are convinced that they are not egotists. The Proud are never aware of the fact that they are the Proud, in other words. It's unfortunately the nature of sin I guess, or of psychosis, either one. The "sinners" are always the last to know that they are, in fact, the sinners. Pride is such a happy form of blindness. Once one is proud, the very fact of it blinds you to it.

So I guess my point in all this is that one must be at all times on guard against such things.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 12:43 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 99 · buddy

Let me ask you something… Have you ever listened to the Johnny Cash song "The Man in Black"? He encompasses pretty much everything that I believe Christ really looked for in his true quest. If you haven't and you don't even like country music please let me direct you to the song. Christ looks for the ones that are in prison, on the street, and the ones that are the biggest sinners of all. Just like me. I'm not one to quote scripture because I believe that it is ingrained in our consciousness as human beings. Maybe I make the mistake of assuming (you know the cliche) but I think it's in all of us. You seem like you are a very educated and well adjusted person. Listen to the song and let me know what you think. I will keep the post alert on for however long it takes so you can hit me back. I'm not trying to convert you, just trying to agree with the fact that true love is the way to go. Let me know ok?

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:01 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 100 · Saint Brian the Godless

I just listened to it.

If you model yourself after that song, well…

You could do a lot worse.

Great song. Thanks.

Of course you realize that the very greatness of that song, and for that matter the undenyable greatness of Jesus' words themselves, is like a porch light to moths, if one is an egotist. The Proud seek such things out and claim to live by them, and then do as they please, all the while believing that since they've said that they're good and shown others the pretty words proving that they are, that the words alone are good enough…

I don't sense this in you. I'm just saying. The song speaks to being HUMBLE, and that's just about the most noble objective for a human that there is, in my book.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:10 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 101 · Saint Brian the Godless

Humility is a funny thing.

If you're really humble, you will never claim that you are or even think it. To do so is by definition, not humble, but proud. Proud of being humble. It's surprisingly common.

I have always liked Johnny Cash, btw. I just hadn't ever listened to that song before. Really great.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:16 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 102 · Saint Brian the Godless

@buddy: Uh, in case you didn't get any alerts, I've replied.

:-)

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:23 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 103 · Saint Brian the Godless

So…

Love, humility, forgiveness, nonjudgementalism… That's the path, or so I see it.

How's by you?

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:25 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 104 · Saint Brian the Godless

I just don't see any dead chimps on that path…

:-)

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:28 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 105 · buddy

Like you say, there are many "porchlights" in this world, one of the greatest being Christianity. That is undeniable of any religion. What is religion? Doctrine of spirituality. Plain and simple. The reason I suggested you listen is because that song embodies true love. The language you and I both speak. If you can love the dirtiest, low-life, no good specimens of humanity then you are truly pure of heart. If you stand up for the rights of the ones who cannot defend their own well being, then you are truly an example to the rest of humanity. I do not like the excessive wording in the bible about "rebirth" as a Christian. If you have ever read John 3:16 then you have heard it as it is officially stated. I follow this through my faith, nothing else. It has been shown to me through countless examples and through the true spirit of the Lord. I am no sucker, I promise you that. I have seen "fire and rain" (James Taylor). My faith has survived as the only thing tangible to my sensible perception and my soul.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:28 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 106 · buddy

Sorry for taking so long. It's lat and I'm assed out tired.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:30 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 107 · Saint Brian the Godless

I agree with all you say, except to sadly note that while perhaps in an ideal world religion would be the doctrine of spirituality, in this world any particular religion represents only ONE usually very NARROW doctrine of spirituality, and not a general one in any sense. It's always my way or the highway, with religions. Or most of them, at any rate. The judeaochristian ones in particular. Ahh, if only they were as tolerant of others as say, the Bah'ai faith… I mean, it's not as if the founder of Christianity preached tolerance or anything…. Oh, yeah, He did, didn't He? How then do the Bah'ai get it so right, and not have Jesus to thank for it?

My own spirituality for example is very poorly represented by your religion. In fact, I'd probably be burnt as a heretic or a witch if the timing were right. To a believer in your faith, I am damned, and they just can't help themselves but show it when they talk to me. Usually, I mean.

Your heart is in the right place, though. Nice meeting you, as it turned out. Feel free to drop by my blog anytime.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:40 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 108 · Saint Brian the Godless

Get some sleep. I need to as well. Goodnight.

Peace.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:41 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 109 · buddy

"Love, humility, forgiveness, nonjudgementalism??? That's the path, or so I see it. "

You are wise beyond your years (however old you are, haha). If you really see it that way then you have a gift. I struggle every day with those very principles but my victory lies in in my ability to acknowledge that those are the principles that guide my life and that they are universal among men, wherever you may go. My true strength lies within the word of God. Unfortunately, I stray from that on a daily basis. It is within the grace and forgiveness of the Lord that I can exist day to day.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:49 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 110 · buddy

Goodnight too. Thank you for your invitation. See you around.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:51 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 111 · Saint Brian the Godless

About those "porchlights…"

I think in no other case was such a beautiful "porchlight" taken advantage of by evil people, than the light of the words of Jesus Christ.

Perhaps it's the ultimate compliment to Him, in a way. If the words weren't so darned beautiful, they wouldn't have attracted the worst of the worst like they have.

It's the task of the modern Christian to separate the wheat from the chaff. This starts with the Bible itself. Trust in your heart to know what is good. Leviticus for example, can be discarded. Much of the Old Testament as well, except as useful allegories and fables to teach us certainlessons, not all of which are still viable. Most of Jesus' words are worth keeping of course, except perhaps minor glitches like when He complimented the roman soldier on his faith in Jesus' ability to heal his (the soldier's) boy sex slave without comment on the fact that the soldier kept a boy sex slave in the first place… That sort of thing.

One must JUDGE with not only the heart, but the mind.

Oh shit, now I'm sounding like a preacherman meself here.

Hey, Horus be with you, brother.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:53 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 112 · Saint Brian the Godless

Yeah, really signing off now. Take care.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 1:54 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 113 · Saint Brian the Godless

I think in no other case was such a beautiful "porchlight" taken advantage of by evil people, than the light of the words of Jesus Christ.
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Meant to say:

I think in no other case was such a beautiful "porchlight" taken advantage of by SUCH evil people, than the light of the words of Jesus Christ.

That's more in line with how I meant it.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 2:04 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 114 · Saint Brian the Godless

Sorry, tired but still talkative.

"My true strength lies within the word of God."

What if your true strength is in your BELIEF in that word, even if the aforementioned God is just a beautiful myth? Would it make you any less strong?

I've found that there is much strength in belief, is my point. Regardless of what the object of that belief is.

I've even found (here comes the spiritual part) that belief can cause actual physical world changes, usually perceived as "signs" or Jungian type coincidences… Prayers answered, that sort of thing as well. What if it's just the belief that somehow interacts with our reality? Then our belief in a God, any God, if strong enough, would yield seemingly "miraculous" results…..

Hey, like I said, I'm tired.

Hope you do stop by, not because I'm trolling for posts but because I enjoy talking to you and I probably won't be stopping by this place again. I only hapened upon it by chance in the first place.

Thank you for being decent.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 2:19 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 115 · Saint Brian the Godless

but my victory lies in in my ability to acknowledge that those are the principles that guide my life and that they are universal among men, wherever you may go.
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I so agree with you on this.

However your statement begs a question from this hopefully humble atheist:

If you find it among people wherever you may go, then doesn't that indicate to you that belief in your particular religion isn't necessary to being a follower of this path?

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 2:33 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 116 · fanofgrendel

@Saint Brian the Godless: are you gone yet, dumbass?

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 8:01 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 117 · yep

@Saint Brian the Godless: I love you!

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 11:37 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 118 · Saint Brian the Godless

You again, cockbite? I thought you were busy masturbating while watching boys-gone-wild again.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 2:32 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 119 · yep

huh? No, I am just a passserby reading your blog but I like (love) the way you handled yourself in this exchange. The whole thread about race and then religion (well faux christianity)represent my whole outlook- you could be my twin even down to the "dry" sarcastic humor. I totally concur with you about this cartoon and my Right Wing family member beat me over the head in an argument that distintegrated into name calling over his defense of this cartoon. Said it mos def was NOT meant to be Obama during a family visit back home. I didn't know what he was talking about but he applied the N word repeatedly in his conversation. I searched the cartoon and wound up here.
anyway, reading your other blogsphere now…….thx.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 2:45 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 120 · Saint Brian the Godless

YEP, I wasn't talking to you with the cockbite comment, I hope that you know. That was for the grendelboy. He's a real monster.

Nice to find another one like me out there. Hope to get to talk to you more. Say hi at the other place if you like.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 4:31 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 121 · Saint Brian the Godless

Yes, Yep, this cartoon is a good litmus test to see who is the closet racist and who isn't. They seem to think it's defensible somehow without revealing the fact that they're racists to anyone listening. Their mistake, of course.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 5:52 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 122 · Saint Brian the Godless

And I just love it when there's an actual interesting conversation going on and then the resident right-wing troglodyte stops by again and grunts his hatred in a sentence or less… It's nice that he participates in whatever limited way that his medication permits, I guess.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 6:03 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 123 · Saint Brian the Godless

(Actually, I have to admit that I really like you posting, grendel's fanny or whatever your name is. You're entertaining, like watching a time-lapse video of meat rotting or something like that…)

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 6:46 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 124 · yep

SBTG- Yes, well My family member is educated yet a right winger from a small Texas town known for it's redneckedness?
I appreciate a logical discussion of issues and think it is essential to understanding issues but he was all hopped up about this cartoon and was all convinced that people were seeing racism behind every tree. I actually got a little out of sorts for a minute reading the comments asking myself if *I* was racist because I associated the chimp with Obama.(?!) They are clever with the little bait and switch thing. I was horrified at the chimp incident anyway and now the cartoon is just over the top.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 6:47 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 125 · Saint Brian the Godless

You know Grendelbutt, I can't help but notice that you were terrorizing this blog before I got here, posting whole paragraphs of silliness complete with equally moronic pictures. But now you're reduced to one-sentence sniper attacks. And now, silence from the terrible grendelbutt. And I haven't even properly cleaved you asunder with my verbal broadsword yet. All I ask is another chance…

I've scared you, haven't I? Damn. I was trying to be gentle, too. It's like playing a trout on two-pound test, I swear…

Don't feel bad, I scare a lot of people…

Do try to keep up in spite of the fear, though. I'm becoming bored with you. Stop being so easily intimidated. Grow a pair, dude. I thought you people were macho or something. Man up!

Surely a big bad rightwingnut christoracist like yourself can keep up with a mere lefty atheist sinner like little ole me…

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 6:56 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 126 · fanofgrendel

Why such a big deal about blacks and chimps? Chinese don't seem to mind much.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 6:59 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 127 · Saint Brian the Godless

Hi again, Yep!

Glad you showed up.

If I'm bitter with the racist, ignorant-and-proud-of-it right-wing attitudes (not you here, I get it, you're not what I thought you were, and I'm sorry for the reaction) it's because, oddly enough, I lived in AMARILLO, TEXAS for eight months, all by meself, like five years ago. The frigging Texas PANHANDLE. The "High plains." What a LESSON that was to me. I'm from frigging New England here! I had NO IDEA about the institutionalized stupidity, the programming, the pernicious fusion of the seeming opposites of Christian values with white fascist attitudes. A huge church on every corner and everyone talking about their religion, all the time. If you're nice to a customer, they ask you to stop by their church. And if you EVER tell them that you're not religious, well, the looks you get tell volumes.

I moved back to Rhode Island with a whole new appreciation for it, let me tell you.

Amarillo was a place where stupidity was not only tolerated, but glorified.

I worked in a jewelry store there, as the gemologist and appraiser, so I interacted with a lot of people.

Culture-Shock!!!!!!!

On my first visit to a bank, I see a sign on the lobby window. It's a black handgun with a red circle and diagonal slash through it, with the words "Please do not bring handguns into bank lobby"

I did a double take. Huh? They need it on a SIGN here?

It was on every other bank in town, too.

AND YES, THEY NEEDED IT.

Everybody had a gun and went hunting. Often right before mass on Sunday. And they'd go to mass bloodied from the hunt.

A seventeen year old kid I worked with talked about his COLLECTION of guns, from pistols to rifles to a shotgun.

And a couple of attractive young seventeen-ish girls that worked there with me would read their almost-worn-out prayer books on their breaks, or talk about American Idol of course. The basics. Not boys or dating. Prayer books and american idol. One of them had made this HUGE poster that almost took up a whole wall of the jewelry store back room with ALL of the players on AI with their "stats" and facts about them, set up like a huge calender or something, with face pictures and everything.

And everyone worshipped George W. Bush like he was the one that died on a cross all those years ago.

I've been literally fighting off the sheer depression of it all ever since. My beloved country… it's full of idiots! Oh no…

But so it is, as it turns out. This past election gives me a little hope, but there are so MANY of them…. lol.

Since then I've come to the conclusion that religion is a social psychosis, only considered acceptable because the people that make the rules in our society have been conditioned by it too.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 7:16 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 128 · Saint Brian the Godless

Try again, grendelbutt. Maybe make it funny or witty or something like that.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 7:17 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 129 · Saint Brian the Godless

Your chinese chimp there is not meant to depict a black person, but another chinese person, one Lark Pien I believe. So, HUH?

What a totally fu%&ing lame joke, dude. Are you twelve or something?

Keep trying though. You make me laugh as you go down in a ball of flame.

So pull up your diaper and give it another shot.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 7:24 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 130 · Saint Brian the Godless

Jesus loves me, yes I know
Cause the Bible tells me so
That is all I need to hear
And so I know I'll never fear
Nothing else is in my head
Except a book by guys long dead
Science isn't telling me
What I can and cannot see
I never, ever take a look
Since I only own one book
Jesus is my only thought
When others ask me what I've bought
I???d rather pluck out both my eyes
So that I can't see the lies
That Science tells us are the truth
I think that Science is uncouth!
Telling me that things fall down
And how a cricket makes a sound
And how planets spin around the sun
And how the gears in watches run
I do not need to hear the facts
I only need religious tracts
And prayers to our Great Lord above
Who blinded me with Bible Love
It feels so good to be so dense
To live behind an iron fence
To shelter fragile minds from truth
(Indoctrinate them in their youth)
Feed them tales of God above
And all of His undying Love
And how he put things in this place
Plain as the nose there on your face
That seem to say that He's not real
That's just the lying Science deal!
He put them here to fool us guys
When we try to use our eyes
We know better, yes we do
Science is at best, untrue
At worst a strange Satanic plot
To show what is real, and what is not
Why should we care what is real?
We still have the Christian deal
Believe in God, at any cost
And look to others like we're lost

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 7:31 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 131 · Saint Brian the Godless

Sorry for the doggerel interlude, but I just felt like it…

Hey, question: What do you call a person that thinks a random chinese cartoon of a karate-posing chimp obviously drawn to depict another chinese person, even providing his chinese name, is instead depicting a black person somehow? And so is willing to make a joke about it that's only funny to someone else that sees all chimps as somehow depicting black people?

A huge bigot?

Yeah, that's it. Maybe a racist pig, too. I'm debating it.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 7:41 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 132 · fanofgrendel

When, in any event, don't forget the speech tonight, or at least play a little X-box.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 7:52 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 133 · Saint Brian the Godless

Uh, I googled the game and it came out in 2008. So the chimp they're talking about is YOUR CHIMP. George W. Chimpface. Even crazy game manufacturers weren't crazy enough to try to depict a black president in a game as a chimp like that. No, instead they weer accurately depicting the intelligence of the president that you voted for. If you're even old enough to vote, that is.

So then, this is really all you've got. Wow. That's kinda sad.

To you, every chimp is a black man. And you think we're all clued into that funny fact, huh? I mean, it must be so obvious to you, raised as a total racist fuckwad and all.

Can't do any better, huh? What a shame. Well, we've got a version of the home game for you as a consolation prize.

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No. 134 · Saint Brian the Godless
Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 8:14 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 135 · fanofgrendel

@Saint Brian the Godless: YOU make the chimp to be what you want him to be in your sad little mind. That's why you are the racist. Black people don't need a sad sack like you to look out for them. They don't need a white goof telling them every time they see a chimp they have to wonder if it's a black-like-me chimp or not. That's really insulting. If I were black, I'd kick your ass from one end of Texas to the next.

Posted: Feb 24, 2009 at 8:44 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 136 · fanofgrendel

Just got done listening to the speech.

Obama Says USA will rebuild and emerge stronger…
Obama vows to increase number of soldiers…
Obama vows to seek cure for cancer 'in our time'…
Obama says bank bailout may cost more than expected…
Obama promises universal EDUCATION THROUGH COLLEGE…
Obama promises universal health care…

comrades, yes we can.

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No. 137 · Saint Brian the Godless

Grendelbuttboy, you are an imbecile. A lowbrow, racist pig, ignorant, stupid imbecile. But it looks good on you. Don't ever change.

Now threaten me some more, you seducer-of-goats.

Posted: Feb 25, 2009 at 1:36 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 138 · Saint Brian the Godless

If I were black, I'd kick your ass from one end of Texas to the next.
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That's funny. If I were black, I'd stick a white-hot burning stick up your ass and see if you can hit a high C.

I bet you'd sound just like a little girl.

Is this fun for you? Just wondering. What do you low-IQers do for fun besides being professional-level assholes?

You're all full of ignorant hatred. You need to go extinct now. Time to evolve, and you're not invited.

Posted: Feb 25, 2009 at 1:41 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 139 · Megs

The cartoon was racist, Cord. Perhaps you should speak to some of the people who convinced Rupert Murdoch of the history of the word as it related to racism in this country, and then reevaluate. Murdoch did. Look at the massive soccer games, where thousands of Europeans make ape sounds and gestures toward black players. You were wrong.

I'm sorry to see David's sites go, even though Queerty became so reflexively racist, I never go there anymore, either. But I believe your tendency to see black people in such a negative light, ultimately doesn't serve you.

Good luck to both you and David.

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No. 140 · fanofgrendel

@Saint Brian the Godless: Saint Brian the Clueless. Mental midget.

Posted: Feb 25, 2009 at 7:57 am · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 141 · Saint Brian the Godless

You seduce goats, and I'm a mental midget. I'll take it. Fine by me.

Posted: Feb 25, 2009 at 2:15 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 142 · fanofgrendel

@Saint Brian the Godless: and your mother dresses you funny.

Posted: Feb 25, 2009 at 2:21 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
No. 143 · Saint Brian the Godless

Your mother dresses me funny. She likes me in leather.

Posted: Feb 25, 2009 at 2:27 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
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